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12-09-2009 I LAS CRUCES METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION 2 POLICY COMMITTEE (PC) MEETING 3 4 Following are the minutes from the MPO Policy Committee (PC) meeting held on 5 Thursday, December 9, 2009 at 5 00 p m at Dona Ana County Commission Chambers, 6 845 N Motel Blvd , Las Cruces, NM 7 8 MEMBERS PRESENT Mayor Michael Cadena (Town of Mesilla) 9 Commissioner Scott Krahling (DAC) 10 Councilor Sharon Thomas (CLC) 11 Councilor Gill Sorg (CLC) 12 Trustee Carlos Arzabal (Town of Mesilla) 13 Councilor Olga Pedroza (CLC) 14 Commissioner Leticia Duarte-Benavidez (DAC) 15 Trustee Sam Bernal (Town of Mesilla) 16 17 MEMBERS ABSENT Commissioner Karen Perez (DAC) 18 19 STAFF PRESENT Tom Murphy (MPO Officer) 20 Andy Hume (Acting Senior Planner) 21 Caerllion Thomas (Acting Planner) 22 Carole Grady (Rideshare) 23 24 OTHERS PRESENT Mike Gallagher (NMDOT) 25 Matt Kenney (DVI) 26 Helen Zagona (Talavera Community Association) 27 John Moscato ((BVLC) 28 Cathy Mathews (League of Women Voters) 29 George Pearson 30 31 1 CALL TO ORDER 32 33 Meeting was called to order at 5 00 p m Roll call to establish quorum 34 35 Murphy- Commissioner Benavidez. 36 37 Benavidez Present. 38 39 Murphy- Trustee Arzabal 40 41 Arzabal Here 42 43 Murphy Trustee Bernal 44 45 Bernal Here 46 1 I Murphy Councillor Pedroza 3 Pedroza Here 4 5 Murphy Councillor Thomas 6 7 Thomas Here 8 9 Murphy Councillor Sorg 10 11 Sorg Here 12 13 Murphy Chairman Cadena 14 15 Cadena Here 16 17 Cadena We do want to welcome our two newest members and the City of Las 18 Cruces Councillors, Pedroza and Sorg, so welcome to the Committee 19 20 2 CONFLICT OF INTEREST INQUIRY - None 21 22 3 PUBLIC COMMENT 23 24 Cadena Any public comments on anything that's not on the agenda? Come 25 forward, please Please state your name for the record and this is 26 something that is not on the agenda? 27 28 Zagona Yes, sir 29 30 Cadena All right. Thank you 31 32 Zagona My name is Helen Zagona and I am a board member of the Talavera 33 Community Association and I appreciate, Mayor Cadena and Committee 34 Members, the chance to address you just briefly on a developing traffic 35 concern that the members of the Talavera Community Association are 36 concerned about. We represent about 500 homes on the east side of A- 37 Mountain and we wanted to let you know about something that we see as 38 a potential serious traffic hazard that is currently developing and that has 39 to do with the new high school that is being constructed right now near A- 40 Mountain We see this as a concern for the safety of the students and the 41 faculty and staff and our residents as well Thousands of more vehicles, 42 literally, will be on a narrow two-lane road leading to this high school in a 43 very short amount of time Currently this is the only road that will be 44 accessible to the high school and to our neighborhood No other roads will 45 be leading to the high school This is a narrow road and there is an 46 intersection that will be constructed where the new high school will go 2 I This intersection currently has no turn lanes and the students and the 2 faculty and staff of the new high school will be turning against heavy 3 commute traffic coming the other way into town And we wanted to alert 4 the MPO about this situation 5 In addition to that this intersection will be situated right new next to 6 a dangerous mountain curve where motorists coming around the curve will 7 not see the intersection where students will be trying to make a left-hand 8 turn until they are right there This will have a huge impact, as well, on the 9 intersection of Telshor and University and we would like to see some 10 addressing of that that situation as well The annexation of this area into 11 the City of Las Cruces is currently being examined However, it is our 12 understanding that Dripping Springs Road, which leads to this new high 13 school, will not be annexed by the City This is a problem having to do with 14 the entire region It's a County problem and it's a City problem and we 15 want the MPO to be aware of it and to follow this as it develops because 16 the new high school is currently being constructed and this entire situation 17 will be developing in a very short amount of time 18 19 Cadena Let me just briefly interrupt you 20 21 Zagona Yes 22 23 Cadena This item has actually been an agenda item in and we have discussed this 24 in the presentations and had members of the public comment. You're 25 certainly welcome, your comments and your Association's comments, but 26 1 just wanted to make sure that you were aware that we're fully — Staff has 27 been asked to continue to monitor the situation and to continue to brief us 28 29 Zagona And I have addressed you previously I addressed you earlier this year 30 You have some new members here and construction is continuing and we 31 just want to make sure that you are aware of this You know if we need to 32 come down every month we will but we really want this on the front 33 burner Thank you very much for listening to me 34 35 Cadena Thank you for presenting it to us and, Staff, you have a response? 36 37 Murphy- Mr Chair, I know Staff doesn't have a response You have pretty much 38 captured it. 39 40 Cadena Yes, and feel free to contact Staff for questions at any point, myself as the 41 Chair, and if you have new information you certainly can come back and 42 present it to us 43 44 Zagona Okay Thank you very much 45 46 3 1 4 CONSENT AGENDA — Items indicated by an asterisk (*) 2 3 Cadena The Consent Agenda 4 5 Arzabal So moved 6 7 Cadena Oh, before we do that Staff has asked that we remove the minutes Is that 8 the only thing on Consent? 9 10 Murphy- No, the List of Obligated Projects is also on Consent. 11 12 Cadena Shall we move the minutes from the Consent only because they're 13 summary minutes and not verbatim minutes as we usually do? Those 14 were e-mailed to you probably today but because of late notice we prefer 15 not to pass the minutes until the next meeting So, Trustee Arzabal, would 16 your motion to approve the Consent Agenda, would that exclude the 17 minutes? 18 19 Arzabal That's fine, Mr Chair 20 21 Cadena Okay Is there a second? 22 23 Bernal Second 24 25 Cadena Okay, any discussion? All right, I have a motion and a second What 26 we're going do is, Chair, if you'll call the roll — I'm the Chair (laughing) 27 Staff, if you'll call the roll 28 29 Murphy- Commissioner Benavidez. 30 31 Benavidez Yes 32 33 Murphy- Trustee Arzabal 34 35 Arzabal Yes 36 37 Murphy- Trustee Bernal 38 39 Bernal Yes 40 41 Murphy- Councillor Pedroza 42 43 Pedroza Yes 44 45 Murphy- Councillor Thomas 46 4 I Thomas Yes 2 3 Murphy Councillor Sorg 4 5 Sorg Yes 6 7 Murphy- Mr Chairman 8 9 Cadena Yes 10 11 5 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 12 13 51 November 12, 2009 14 15 Cadena Let's consider the minutes and maybe I can entertain a motion to 16 disapprove the minutes so that we can address it the next time 17 18 Arzabal Mr Chair, the motion was not to include the minutes? 19 20 Cadena Right. On the Consent so now I'm asking you to consider the minutes and 21 since we didn't get them until today I'm just suggesting that we 22 disapprove That's all 23 24 Thomas You want a motion a motion to say I move we approve or disapprove the 25 minutes? 26 27 Sorg Second 28 29 Thomas So moved 30 31 Several voices Second 32 33 Cadena I'm sorry It was moved by Councillor Thomas and, I believe it was 34 seconded by Councillor Sorg Any further discussion? So you'll vote in the 35 affirmative if you want us to disapprove them Staff? 36 37 Murphy- Commissioner Benavidez. 38 39 Benavidez. I was not present at this meeting, the 12th, so I'll pass 40 41 Murphy- Trustee Arzabal 42 43 Arzabal Aye 44 45 Murphy- Trustee Bernal 46 5 I Bernal Yes 2 3 Murphy- Councillor Pedroza 4 5 Pedroza (inaudible — not near microphone) 6 7 Murphy- Councillor Thomas 8 9 Thomas Yes 10 11 Murphy Councillor Sorg 12 13 Sorg Pass 14 15 Murphy- Mr Mayor 16 17 Cadena Yes Do we have enough "yeses" — is there a — do people abstaining still 18 count as a quorum? 19 20 Murphy- I believe they do 21 22 Cadena Okay Thanks That motion passes 23 24 6 ACTION ITEMS 25 26 *6 1 Resolution 09 19 List of Obligated Projects for Fiscal Year 2009 27 28 Was passed as part of the Consent Agenda 29 30 62 Resolution 09-20 A Resolution approving the 2010 Meeting Schedule 31 32 Cadena Let's go ahead and move on to Resolution 09-20 A Resolution approving 33 the 2010 Meeting Schedule 34 35 Arzabal So moved 36 37 Pedroza (inaudible) 38 39 Cadena It should be right there on your screen So the one that pertains to us, 40 obviously, is the Policy Schedule and then there's the TAC Schedule and 41 a BPAC Schedule so our next meeting will be the 13th I'm sorry, Andy, go 42 ahead 43 44 Hume If I may, Mr Chair and Members of the Committee, just one item that 1 45 want to note to you all First of all you know we are working on Transport 46 2040 and we'll talk about this a little bit more later on in the meeting but 6 I we have scheduled a July meeting dust in case, as sort of as our fail safe, 2 because we have to have our Transportation Plan done by July of 2010 3 We have a schedule mapped out for us to get it done before then but lust 4 in case we figured it's easier to schedule a meeting and cancel it later than 5 it is to try and schedule a meeting later on in the year So I just wanted to 6 point that out. Typically we don't work — we don't have a Committee 7 meeting — Staff works in July but we don't have a Committee meeting in 8 July I wanted to point that out to you so, hopefully, if get things moving 9 along as we plan to we will not have that meeting We also have the 10 cancellation in March as usual due to the, I believe, it's the National Cities 11 Convention that usually happens around that time So we have that 12 cancellation as usual One other thing I want to point out is that typically 13 we alternate between the Policy Committee and the Technical Advisory 14 Committee as to where we meet. 15 You'll notice that in the first half of the year both Committees will be 16 meeting here in the Commission Chambers The second half of the year 17 both of the Committees will meet in the Council Chambers There was 18 some difficulty in scheduling Council Chambers this year in the first half of 19 the year so that's why we had to adjust the schedule so it looks a little 20 different in years past. Those are the only two items other than that we will 21 continue with meetings as we normally have with our Advisory 22 Committees and with you all as the Policy Board So I believe there's a 23 motion on the floor I'll stand for any questions if anybody has any 24 25 Cadena Is there a second? Are there any comments or questions? As soon as you 26 know about the July meeting, obviously, let everyone know if you're going 27 to cancel it or not. 28 29 Hume Absolutely and probably what we'll do is as soon as we pass Transport 30 2040 we'll cancel that meeting 31 32 Cadena All right. Thank you 33 34 Hume So we had a motion by Trustee Arzabal and a second by Councillor 35 Pedroza 36 37 Cadena All right. Staff, call the roll 38 39 Hume Commissioner Benavidez. 40 41 Benavidez: Yes 42 43 Hume Trustee Arzabal 44 45 Arzabal Yes 46 7 I Hume Trustee Bernal 2 3 Bernal Yes 4 5 Hume Councillor Pedroza 6 7 Ped roza Yes 8 9 Hume Councillor Thomas 10 11 Thomas Yes 12 13 Hume Councillor Sorg 14 15 Sorg Yes 16 17 Hume And Chair 18 19 Cadena Yes And for the record, Commissioner Krahling is here as well or just 20 a rrived 21 22 63 Resolution 09-21 A Resolution approving a Long Range 23 Transportation Plan Amendment in the Sierra Norte Area 24 25 Cadena Let's move on, Resolution 09-21 A Resolution approving a Long Range 26 Transportation Plan Amendment in the Sierra Norte Area Tom? 27 28 Tom Murphy gave the presentation 29 30 Sorg Tom, could you stop a second there at that last one? Could you zoom in a 31 little bit there to show where Dragonfly is? 32 33 Murphy- No, unfortunately, I cannot zoom on this 34 35 Sorg Then point it out. That's good 36 37 Murphy- Dragonfly is this Arterial at the northernmost portion of the map On the 38 current Thoroughfare Plan Dragonfly extends all the way across the 39 northeast portion of the MPO and connects essentially US 70 to 1-25 1 40 apologize for not having that. On the current Thoroughfare Plan this is the 41 alignment of Dragonfly and it traces pretty much the northern portion of 42 the MPO area 43 44 Cadena And for the record that was Councillor Sorg who asked that question 45 8 I Murphy- The driving reason behind this request is the Bureau of Land 2 Management's Recreation Management Plan Their proposed Plan 3 identifies all four options that they have out for public review at this point. 4 They propose the area for recreation area and they do not anticipate that 5 land being released either for development or for right-of-way purposes I'll 6 pause my presentation at this point and let Mr Kenney go through his 7 presentation and then I'll wrap up with Staff analysis and recommendation 8 9 Cadena All right. Are there any questions for Tom up to this point? 10 11 Sorg Yes, Mr Chairman Could you define the word "vacation" in this 12 discussion on this proposal? 13 14 Murphy- Vacation, Mr Chair and Councillor Sort, the vacation would refer to 15 removing that as a proposed alignment on the Major Thoroughfare Plan 16 permanently 17 18 Cadena Thank you Any other questions? If not, Mr Kenney, if you'll come up 19 20 Kenney- Good evening Matt Kenney with DVI I'm representing Sierra Norte Land 21 Holdings and Bright View Land Company who are the owners and 22 developers of the area known as Metro Verde 23 I'm going to skip ahead a couple of slides here because I think it's 24 helpful to start with where we came from The project you see on the 25 screen is called Metro Verde and it involves a village center surrounded by 26 High-Density Residential and then some Low-Density Single Family 27 around the outside And you can see from the plan that when we got this 28 approved through the City Council last year Dragonfly Boulevard was on 29 our Concept Plan, We fully expected that the developer was going to have 30 to build their fair pro-rata share of Dragonfly, which is the northern 31 boundary of this particular project. Things happened over time and the 32 developer ultimately ended up involved in a much larger area, about three 33 square miles of this Sierra Norte area with Metro Verde being on the 34 northern limits of that three square miles So we pulled back and looked at 35 a much larger area that you're looked here on the map from a planning 36 perspective and went and met with MPO Staff to talk about Major 37 Thoroughfare plans and our ideas in the area 38 It was then that we heard about the BLM's intention of making 39 everything in green into a recreation area out in that area and that they did 40 not want Dragonfly to cross that recreation area There were a couple of 41 other things that we were looking at but ultimately Staff asked us to bring 42 forward a request for the Committee Starting with the existing Major 43 Thoroughfare Plan, you have Interstate 25, Highway 70 this is Sonoma 44 Ranch Boulevard that runs north-south and then you have Dragonfly, 45 Arroyo Road, Lisa Lane and Peachtree Hills Road So we were looking at 46 all of those different alignments and we came up with a list of ideas and 9 I changes This map shows both our proposed changes and the existing 2 together It's a little bit confusing but we can come back to it if you like So 3 we said if the BLM wants to take the Dragonfly Boulevard off the map it 4 makes sense to go ahead and take all the Collectors north of Arroyo Road 5 because they're not attaching to an Arterial any more They're not 6 functioning as a Collector any more So we proposed that. There was a 7 portion of Lisa Lane that went over Goat Mountain and, I think it's fair to 8 say that as a community we're never going to build that piece of roadway 9 so we simply recommend that be removed If I go back to the existing 10 Settlers Pass is primarily on BLM property and we're proposing an 11 alignment change to move it to the common boundary line with the 12 developer's property that we're working with so that we can complete the 13 Collector and Arterial loops in the area Otherwise we would be dependent 14 on the public to come through with the project to complete those loops 15 So when you go to what we're proposing we have Settlers Pass 16 actually ending at Peachtree Hills Road and then an alignment change 17 where we have a new road called Paseo de la Playa This area is known 18 as a playa where it's been flat and collects water and rain And then we 19 bring Paseo de la Playa into a place where we can complete these loops 20 with the development project. So that was our proposal This shows a 21 revised Metro Verde plan that we're working with the City and have 22 submitted that takes Dragonfly Boulevard off just to get a sense of what 23 the local circulation looks like when you take Dragonfly off We feel very 24 comfortable with this plan that we have enough circulation on a local level 25 so it's only a matter for the Committee to decide whether or not there's a 26 regional need for Dragonfly that trumps the BLM's interest in taking that off 27 the map 28 Some site photos — this shows the current alignment of Settlers 29 pass It's still a little bit on the slope of the roadway moving to the east 30 also helps by getting it off the slope of the mountain a little bit. And then 31 there's the portion between Arroyo Road and Dragonfly that is a very nice 32 canyon feature on the upper limits of the Dona Ana Arroyo that, I think, 33 has some very nice intrinsic value to maintain and if we build a five lane 34 road through there we're going to lose some of that quality Here are some 35 pictures of the Dona Ana Mountains where Dragonfly Boulevard is 36 proposed to go through It's a very nice area as well And that is the end of 37 my presentation I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have 38 39 Cadena All right. Any questions? 40 41 Thomas Mr Chair? 42 43 Cadena Yes 44 45 Thomas This is a good map to start with so can you put the cursor where 46 yes what's going to be on the north edge of Metro Verde? 10 1 2 Kenney It's going to be a local road of some kind It'll be a part of the development 3 plan but it won't be an Arterial on the Mayor Thoroughfare Plan 4 5 Thomas And will this recreation land start from it's west of there then? 6 7 Kenney- Approximately one mile to the west is where the recreation area is The 8 development property is this section line right here 9 10 Thomas And what's north of the development property? Who owns that? 11 12 Kenney- Let me go back to the beginning That's currently owned by the State 13 Land Office When you look at this map you see the blue area here? It's 14 owned by the State Land Office and as I understand it, in the trade that 15 the BLM is underway with the State to create this recreation area, their 16 appraisals are better than the State's and so they may actually include this 17 into the recreation as a trade but that's still to be determined at this point. 18 But they do have an interest in acquiring up to Jornada Road 19 20 Thomas I had another question from the School Board I don't know how much it 21 relates to this particular issued that we're looking at but is there a map that 22 shows where (US) 70 and 1-25 cross and also the Dona Ana entrance to I- 23 25? 24 25 Kenney- This is the Dona Ana entrance to 1-25 1 don't have the interchange with 26 Highway 70 down there 27 28 Thomas So, Dragonfly was going to be north of that 29 30 Kenney That's correct. 31 32 Thomas Okay — and what the School Board people were talking to me about was 33 the fact that they they're redistricting I don't know Maybe MPO Staff will 34 talk to you about this and some of the people who live west of 1-25 are 35 going to need to get to the other side of 1-25 to go to school and the only 36 choices they have are Dona Ana and 1-25 and (US) 70? 37 38 Cadena That might be a question for Staff as opposed to Matt. 39 40 Murphy- Yes, I've seen some of the redistricting and there are some west of 1-25 41 that are going to schools on the east. Right now, yes, the crossing of 1-25 42 would be at the Dona Ana Interchange and US 70 currently There is a 43 grade separation project on a tip that is currently in the design process 44 with NMDOT Design Center and, in fact, I believe there is a public meeting 45 coming up real soon I don't remember the date off the top of my head but 11 I the construction is slated for 2011 so that there will be a crossing midway 2 between the Dona Ana Interchange and US 70 3 4 Thomas Okay, thanks It wasn't terribly related to what Matt was doing but it 5 reminded me of what somebody had asked me that question so I lust 6 wanted to get that information while we had a reasonable map to look at. 7 8 Cadena Thank you, Councillor Tom, is there any way you could point that 9 potential project on the map with the cursor? 10 11 Sorg Mr Chairman? 12 13 Cadena Yes, Councillor Sorg 14 15 Sorg Are we talking about Engler Road? Yeah 16 17 Murphy I guess it would be this one Sorry about that 18 19 Sorg As long as I'm talking so it looks to me like Arroyo Road and Desert 20 Wind are going to link up together to meet that Dona Ana crossing 21 22 Murphy That is correct. 23 24 Sorg So where does the name change and why? 25 26 Cadena Tom? 27 28 Murphy- Mr Chair, Councillor Sorg, currently those two alignments exist separately 29 as roadways, Arroyo more on the East Mesa and Desert Wind in the Dona 30 Ana County bend area Right now there is no point where — they don't 31 connect yet so there's no where that the name actually changes and it's 32 one of the things that, I think, is common to our community We have El 33 Paso turning into Alameda and 34 35 Sorg Yes and no need to go further I just wanted to point that out again And 1 36 noticed that road goes through the BLM Recreation Area, too The BLM's 37 not concerned about that as opposed to Dragonfly? 38 39 Murphy- We've talked with Ken Sanders at BLM and the indication is that they're 40 willing for the one to go through They are interested in access points for 41 the recreation area so that they do see a benefit for that one but not 42 multiple roads crossing the recreation area 43 44 Sorg Sure Okay Thank you 45 46 Cadena Thank you for your comments Anyone else? Thank you, ma'am 12 1 2 Arzabal Mr Mayor? 3 4 Cadena Yes 5 6 Arzabal Are you looking for a motion? 7 8 Cadena Sure 9 10 Arzabal If there's no more questions or discussion I move to approve the Long 11 Range Transportation Plan Amendment in the Sierra Norte Area 12 13 Benavidez Second 14 15 Cadena It's been moved and seconded Staff, do you have something further? 16 17 Murphy We have just some additional slides, kind of just to close it out. 18 19 Cadena Sure 20 21 Murphy- We did some model runs on the proposed changes The colored lines 22 show various levels of average daily trips This is the 2030 population 23 numbers on the existing Proposed Thoroughfare Plan with a level of 4400 24 vehicles per day on Dragonfly Sonoma Ranch in this area is currently 25 6500 to the north of Arroyo and then increasing up to 11,000 as you get 26 closer to Peachtree Hills Road This shows the aftereffects after the 27 removal of Dragonfly and the realignment of Settlers Pass And back up 28 also to Arroyo Road was showing an average daily traffic of about 9700 29 hooking into the Interchange The increase in Arroyo went to 13,300 30 vehicles per day and Sonoma Ranch increased to 15,000 to the north and 31 17,600 to the south Those levels are just to give you an idea the 32 Sonoma Ranch traffic would be comparable to the levels that we're seeing 33 on present day Solano south of Lohman, 13,000 would probably be typical 34 of I'm trying to think of a road that matches that exactly but it would 35 probably be Idaho Avenue or the Mesilla levels 36 There's one aspect where Staff is different from the proposal and 37 that's in the area of the Dona Ana Bend Colony We propose retaining that 38 small portion of Dragonfly and Del Rey and, I think it's Lorena at that point, 39 because we don't know what kind of development we're going to see in 40 that portion, especially in light of the recent reconstruction of the 41 Interchange 42 Staff recommendation would be to keep those Thoroughfares in the 43 Dona Ana Bend area We would keep Settlers Pass as a Collector, 44 however, instead of splitting the property lines we would have the MPO 45 policy be that it be moved entirely onto the developer's property in the light 46 that land on the BLM would have to be paid for publicly and we don't 13 I anticipate that being possible at this point. We would also want the 2 proposed Paseo de la Playa to also be on the entirety of the developer's 3 property; however, we would also support a reduced right-of-way since it 4 will be a single-loaded facility It'll have recreation area to the west but we 5 do think that pedestrian accommodations would be needed on both sides 6 as it would be a possible future transit route That concludes Staff's 7 presentation and I'll be available to any members of the public that may 8 wish to comment 9 10 Cadena Is there anyone in the public? Come on up 11 12 Pearson George Pearson The last comment was the pedestrians should be 13 accommodated but there's been no discussion of bicycles so I want to 14 make sure that especially the outer Thoroughfare will have enough right- 15 of-way available so that in-road bicycle facilities could be accommodated 16 17 Cadena Staff 18 19 Murphy- Mr Chairman, it has been MPO policy in the 2005 Transportation Plan 20 and we've just stated it being the 2010 is that all newly constructed 21 Thoroughfares will have in-road bicycle facilities 22 23 Cadena Thanks for clarifying that Does anyone care to debate the Trustee, was 24 your motion to approve Staff's recommendations or was it the developer's 25 or does anybody care to debate the differences there? 26 27 Arzabal That's a good question Mr Chair, I guess as far as the Resolution 28 29 Kenney* Mr Chair 30 31 Cadena Yes 32 33 Kenney* Committee Members, we're comfortable with Staff's changes in keeping 34 those Thoroughfares on the one side and the developer has no problem 35 with putting 100% of the right-of-way on their property for the Settlers 36 Pass realignment. 37 38 Cadena Okay 39 40 Arzabal There it is, Mr Chair 41 Cadena I believe there's a question Councillor Sorg 42 43 Sorg Thank you, Mr Chairman You kind of went through it a little quick there 44 In the presentation there was an arroyo and a feature picture you showed 45 at the beginning I happen to recognize it as a birding area that I've gone 14 I to and I was wondering if that is a place that we're going to avoid because 2 of taking Dragonfly out. Yes, that's the one Oh, you went past it 3 4 Kenney- I'm skipping past to show you where that is on the map It's actually the 5 original Settlers Pass alignment north of Arroyo Road to Dragonfly So 6 with the removal of Dragonfly it's also appropriate to take Settlers Pass 7 out because it's no longer collecting to an Arterial and so, in doing that we 8 preserve the canyon at the same time 9 10 Sorg That's all I want to hear Thank you 11 12 Cadena Councillor Thomas, do you have something? 13 14 Thomas Thank you, Mr Chair What I'm understanding from Matt Kenney is that 15 you're comfortable with all of this recommendation 16 17 Kenney* I'm getting my aerobics in Yes We're good 18 19 Thomas Okay Thanks 20 21 Cadena Anyone else I believe I had a motion Is there a second? 22 23 Benavidez Yes, I seconded it. 24 25 Cadena It's a Resolution so if Staff will call the roll 26 27 Murphy- Commissioner Krahling? 28 29 Krahling Yes 30 31 Murphy- Commissioner Benavidez? 32 33 Benavidez. Yes 34 35 Murphy- Trustee Arzabal? 36 37 Arzabal Yes 38 39 Murphy Trustee Bernal? 40 41 Bernal Yes 42 43 Murphy Councillor Pedroza? 44 45 Pedroza Yes 46 15 I Murphy Councillor Thomas? 2 3 Thomas Yes 4 5 Murphy Councillor Sorg? 6 7 Sorg Yes 8 9 Murphy- Mr Chairman 10 11 Cadena Yes 12 13 64 Resolution 09-22 Coordinated Mobility Action Plan for Human 14 Services Transportation 15 16 Cadena Which brings us to 6 4, that's a Resolution 09-22 Coordinated Mobility 17 Action Plan for Human Transportation Who's going to do that one? 18 19 Caeri Thomas gave the presentation 20 21 Cadena I think the committee did a fantastic job, something that's needed and you 22 all need to be commended Are there any other comments or can I get a 23 motion? 24 25 Thomas I have a comment, Mr Chair 26 27 Cadena Councillor Thomas 28 29 Thomas So we've never had this kind of plan before —that's what I understand 30 31 C Thomas No, we have not. 32 33 Thomas And once you get this plan together it will allow us to apply for new 34 funding? 35 36 C Thomas The NMDOT Plan allowed for us to apply for new funding but you had to 37 have specific items in your plan for certain types of things that you wanted 38 to pursue so this really encompasses that because now it has more 39 detailed ideas for applying for those funds 40 41 Thomas So now we can come up with particular projects that we want to 42 implement. Who would actually do the applying for this? The steering 43 committee has picked the priorities so would they be involved in applying 44 for the funds or would it be MPO or ? 45 16 I C Thomas It depends on what it is It would most likely go through RoadRunner 2 Transit, maybe have a local match through one of the nonprofit agencies 3 or something like that but the nonprofit agencies that are human service 4 agencies, they can also apply Ben Archer, for example, has applied for 5 drug funds in the past for buses 6 7 Thomas Okay So a few of these agencies do have some experience applying for 8 funds and so we're trying to coordinate this in a way that makes the Plan 9 useful for all the agencies 10 11 C Thomas Correct — and also begin sharing more information 12 13 Thomas Right. Okay Thanks 14 15 Cadena Thank you, Councillor 16 17 Arzabal If there is nothing else, Mr Chair, I move to approve the Coordinated 18 Mobility Action Plan for Human Services Transportation 19 20 Cadena It's been moved Is there a second? 21 22 Thomas Second 23 24 Cadena Second by Councillor Thomas Any further discussion and anybody in the 25 public or Staff wish to comment? If not let's have a roll call vote 26 27 C Thomas Commissioner Krahling 28 29 Krahling Yes 30 31 C Thomas Commissioner Benavidez. 32 33 Benavidez. Yes 34 35 C Thomas Trustee Arzabal 36 37 Arzabal Yes 38 39 C Thomas Trustee Bernal 40 41 Bernal Yes 42 43 C Thomas Councillor Pedroza 44 45 Pedroza Yes 46 17 I C Thomas Councillor Thomas 3 Thomas Yes 4 5 C Thomas Councillor Sorg 6 7 Sorg Yes 8 9 C Thomas Mayor Cadena 10 11 Cadena Yes The Resolution does pass 12 13 7 DISCUSSION ITEMS 14 15 71 BPAC Design Standards Letter 16 17 Caeri Thomas gave the presentation 18 19 C Thomas The BPAC Committee wanted to send the Policy Committee a letter in 20 regard to Complete Streets and Design Standards First of all they wanted 21 to commend the Policy Committee and the local jurisdictions for passing 22 Complete Streets Resolutions and I understand that, although it's not 23 mentioned in this letter, that the County also recently passed the 24 Complete Streets Resolution And I wanted to just tell you their concerns 25 about incorporating elements of Complete Streets into Design Standards 26 as appropriate There's a particular concern about City of Las Cruces 27 Design Standards because some of the Members were involved in some 28 public lands discussion groups The outcome of that was that the City 29 would update the Design Standards And so the BPAC wanted to express 30 their interest in expediting the Updated Design Standards and also asked 31 to be involved in the process, whether that's through presentations from 32 the City and other jurisdictions of being involved in a focus group In 33 addition, the last section of the letter they identified some key elements to 34 updating the Design Standards and ways you can incorporate Complete 35 Streets And those were in addition to integrating all nodes into cross- 36 sections, incorporating trail facilities, having connectivity within and 37 between subdivisions, having paths for non-motorized transportation at 38 cul-de-sac heads and employing a variety of traffic common measures 39 40 Cadena Any discussion on the letter? 41 42 Thomas I have a question 43 44 Cadena Councillor 45 18 I Thomas Will this letter be passed on to the City or what? I did mention it to Mr 2 Robert Garza today We were meeting on something else and my 3 daughter read the letter for the meeting today and I did mention it to him 4 so will the letter go forward to the City? 5 6 C Thomas The intention is to "cc" M Garza since he was the one involved with that 7 public lands group so we'll be sending that on to him 8 9 Thomas Well, if it's all right with this group, I was involved with the public lands 10 meeting as well so I'll follow up on it. 11 12 Cadena I don't see any problem with that Does anyone? (Other Members say 13 no ") 14 15 Murphy- Mr Chair, if I may also interrupt, Mr Garza has also commenced a City 16 Staff level review of the Design Standards That group has now met three 17 times and they've invited MPO Staff to be involved with them on that City 18 revision for the City Design Standards lust to let you 19 20 Cadena So we're already working on this I appreciate that 21 22 Murphy- It's under way 23 24 Cadena So then Staff's involved and you can keep us updated as to what's 25 happening Thank you 26 27 72 TRANSPORT 2040 update 28 29 Hume Mr Chairman, Members of the Committee, we have a brief presentation 30 on an update for Transport 2040, which is for the benefit of our new 31 members, an update of our Transportation Plan What I'd like to do, since 32 we don't have a Committee training on this meeting, what I'm actually 33 going to a little bit of training As a reminder for some of the members who 34 have been on for a while and, perhaps as some new information for some 35 of our newer members, and then we'll talk about where we're at with 36 Transport 2040 We included some information in your packet which has 37 some updated pages that we've been working on for the document. So I'm 38 going to review these items here, as I mentioned, a brief overview of 39 what's involved in developing a Long Range Transportation Plan or a 40 Metropolitan Transportation Plan, outline where we're at with the 41 Transport 2040 and then talk about where we're headed in next few 42 months 43 First of all this information actually comes straight from the Federal 44 regulations that are in your MPO 101 binders I'm not going to read 45 through all of these but I want to bring out a couple of points First of all 46 the last time we put together a Transportation Plan, a Metropolitan 19 I Transportation Plan, was in July of 2005 and so we're coming up very 2 closely on that five-year anniversary by which we need to have a new 3 Transportation Plan, at least an updated one And so we're keeping within 4 the Federal regulations as far as that goes Also, and we will touch on this 5 a little bit later on, we're coordinating with Vision 2040 so we're meeting 6 the minimum twenty-year planning horizon, in this case where we're 7 looking out thirty years in conjunction with the proposed future land use 8 plans and such for Vision 2040 Also, and this is certainly very important, 9 we are conducting a very thorough documented public input process 10 We're doing this through the process that's identified in your binders, 11 which is the Public Participation Plan, and so we wanted to make that very 12 clear Also, transportations plans were required to make sure they 13 discussed certain topics in there and again, I'm not going to read through 14 all the bullets there but in the past some of the areas where we see a 15 need for improvement is discussion of operation and management 16 strategies and also the financial plan And so we've done a pretty good job 17 in talking about some of the other bullets on this page but we're making 18 sure that we're looking at best practices from other transportation plans 19 from other MPOs around the country and looking at how we can improve 20 those areas of our Transportation Plan So that's just a very brief update 21 about Metropolitan Transportation Plans as a whole Are there any 22 questions that I can answer regarding these items? Okay, well what I'll do 23 is I'll move on and talk specifically about Transport 2040 24 25 Cadena Hold on a second 26 27 Hume Sure 28 29 Cadena Was there a question or a comment? Councillor Sorg 30 31 Sorg I just would like to know if there's better maps available for these plans 32 that we could look at and we can tell 33 34 Hume Yes, Mr Chair, Councillor Sorg On our web site are pdfs of all of our 35 current maps that we use and also a lot of the maps that we're developing 36 for Transport 2040 and the pdfs, even on-line you can even on line you 37 can zoom in and look in more detail on those maps We'll be happy to 38 answer other questions, too, as they come up about those maps 39 40 Sorg All right. I'll visit that web site as soon as I get the address 41 42 Hume Okay 43 44 Krahling Mr Chair? 45 46 Cadena Yes 20 1 2 Krahling We also have those real big maps that we take to our community 3 meetings, too, right? 4 5 Hume Absolutely, yes 6 7 Krahling Those are at your office so if you want to go look at them they're real life in 8 front of us You could take a look at them, dust so that you know That's 9 what I look at 10 11 Cadena Thank you, Commissioner Krahling 12 13 Hume Yes, and those same maps are the ones that we're using on our Transport 14 2040 pages a lot so to try and keep some consistency on our maps 15 16 Cadena Good point 17 18 Hume Thank you I appreciate that. Any other questions or comments before we 19 move on? Okay Now we want to talk specifically about Transport 2040 20 and how we're implementing some of those items from the first two slides 21 throughout our process As mention, one thing that's very important is we 22 are following the public participation process that we outlined and went 23 into detail in our Public Participation Plan and this is a graphic that's 24 illustrating the process that we go through and we're really at this point 25 around step three We've generated a lot of options based on the needs 26 and challenges that were identified per our first two rounds of public 27 involvement and we're evaluation those ideas and trying to put them 28 together in a cohesive unit called Transport 2040 This is a in an 29 attempt to sort of illustrate a hierarchy, if you will, or a flow to Transport 30 2040 this sort of illustrates simply of what that flow is going to look like 31 This isn't the flow of the document. This is the flow of the ideas within 32 Transport 2040 starting with the vision and working all the way down 33 through a financial plan and implementation steps as well as performance 34 measures So this is just simply to outline how Staff envisions Transport 35 2040 flowing from a conceptual level and we'll get into talking about the 36 outline of the document if you'd like We have the table of contents 37 included within your packet so we can go over that if there are any 38 questions I'm probably not going to go into too much detail about the 39 document itself today but as we move along we're going to talk more 40 about the Vision and goals and such So this is the Vision that Staff has 41 identified based on public comments as well as information that we've 42 received from our advisory committees and, of course, from the Policy 43 Board And stating it for the record the Vision is to serve all transportation 44 users by planning, implementing and maintaining a transportation system 45 that coordinates land use and transportation planning And we've 46 developed this graphic to help show how all of these elements work 21 I together and we'll be coming back to this throughout the rest of this 2 discussion But right here, in the center, right here, the core Vision that 3 everything is coalescing around is this idea of coordinated land use and 4 transportation planning and we want to make that very clear throughout 5 the document and we weave all these other items around that central 6 Vision for our Transportation Plan 7 8 Thomas Mr Chair, could I ask a question at this time? 9 10 Cadena You sure can 11 12 Thomas Andy, when I was reading this what I was thinking about was the HUD 13 Department of Transportation Federal Initiative for sustainable, Livable 14 Communities and they've put out, I don't know, I think they have four or 15 five goals, I guess they call them and so I'm just wondering if we're 16 connecting with what's going on Federal — I mean you've got the same 17 idea here with coordinated land use and transportation, which is what 18 they're trying to do, (inaudible) that group as well, but they have some 19 principals they've laid out and they're kind of going around the country and 20 kind of put people on it and so I was just wondering It might be 21 important in the document itself to make that connection For myself, I'm 22 very interested in what they're doing I've been following it for some time 1 23 know they're doing some training and so something I wanted to bring up 24 later but I'll lust it up now instead is that I think it would be very useful for 25 this group to get that information I don't know what kinds of training they 26 have, presentations they have, but if we could have that for this group 1 27 think it would be very helpful for us to see what's going on at the Federal 28 level and all around the country and working with various departments of 29 transportation across the country so we can see how our project fits into 30 that larger context. 31 32 Hume Mr Chair, Councillor Thomas, first of all Staff is trying to be in tune as 33 possible to all of these changes that are going on These are very fast 34 moving items that are happening and we're trying to sync up with them as 35 best as possible We're a lot farther along, ahead, in our process then they 36 are thinking in some respects but we are keeping a very close eye on 37 what FHWA, the USDOT in general, as well as HUD and EPR are doing in 38 their partnership The second item, as far as training goes, we have been 39 in contact with a Federal Highway Administration representative for the 40 State and have tried to get some of that training done here in the Las 41 Cruces area and so we are working on that. We'll give you an update 42 when that becomes available 43 44 Thomas Thank you And I would mention to other people on this group that it 45 pertains to people down here that it can be useful to other elected officials 46 and the public from Mesilla and the County, as well, because I think it's 22 I going to be an impact in the long run on how we do Vision 2040 and all of 2 our planning I've been watching and I think they're moving very quickly It 3 wasn't that long ago that they had their first summit all around the country 4 looking for examples, see if they've got the principals, they're starting to 5 really expand so I think it's very important that we understand how this 6 is going to change in terms of shifting towards bringing together 7 transportation and land use planning and any more information that we 8 can get not just for this group but across the communities 9 10 Cadena Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem 11 12 Hume Any other comments or questions about what we've gone over so far? 13 Okay Based on the aforementioned Vision we have identified a core 14 policy objective and action In trying to work through this process, in 15 reviewing a lot of previous documents on each mode had a whole list, 16 sometimes pages and pages of goals, objectives and policies and we tried 17 as best as possible to make sure that those matched from one mode to 18 another but in working through Transport 2040 we tried to really strip down 19 and get down to the bare policies and goals and objectives in these 20 processes and, rather than looking at each mode individually, we tried to 21 look at the system as a whole and find policies and objectives and 22 strategies that would benefit the system as a whole rather than 23 recognizing that, of course we need, for example, we had the comment 24 about in-road road bicycle facilities and the benefits those bring Rather 25 than talking about that as a separate item we want to talk about it as how 26 it builds up the entire system as a whole and how it benefits the system 27 And so it eliminates a lot of potential for policies that, perhaps, conflict with 28 each other or a lot of duplicate policies that you have to read more than 29 once across several modes We tried to strip all that down and get down 30 to the bare minimum of policies and ideas that we're trying to convey in 31 the plan and talk about it in that respect. And so when we're looking at 32 these items it's going to look very different than the policy or the Plan as a 33 whole than you're used to looking in the current Plan I just kind of wanted 34 to bring everybody up to speed on the differences that we're going to be 35 looking at and, perhaps you've even seen in this early draft, significant 36 changes compared with our current Plan 37 This item here, it talks about the three main goals and I hope that 38 you can see this This is our diagram that we have sort of behind it. I tried 39 to get fancy with it and I don't know if I really achieved the purpose that 1 40 was looking for But, as you can see, we have environment, economy and 41 people as three main components that are affected by and affect the 42 transportation system and we worked those directly into our main goal of a 43 sustainable, robust economy, sustainable, natural and built environment 44 and equitable (Inaudible) opportunity for all people And these, as you can 45 see, are at the confluence of how each of these three work together and if 46 we can get these working right we'll end up with a coordinated 23 I transportation and land use system And it also works the other way out 2 and that's why I put that in there to hopefully show how that works and 3 brings all of the elements together I hope got that. Under each goal, if you 4 notice, we only have two policies under each one Again, in an effort to 5 kind of strip down and find the policies that really make an impact across 6 the entire system In virtually every case each one of these policies relates 7 to every single transportation mode and, if we work on the strategies, we'll 8 talk about those in just a minute, it will have a system-wide impact and 9 we'll see system-wide improvements and enhancements I know there's a 10 lot of information on this page Are there any comments or questions 11 about the items? And one thing else that I'll note is in the earlier slide one 12 of the bullets talked about the eight planning factors that are outlined in 13 the Federal regs these items also address those eight planning factors 14 so again we're trying to weave all of this in yet keep it simple and concise 15 16 Cadena Yes, there's a question Councillor Pedroza 17 18 Pedroza I am just going to move it back to the policy I wondered if you could 19 explain it to me It says the Mobility Zone's transit? 20 21 Hume I will explain that in a little more detail dust coming up 22 23 Pedroza Okay Fine Thank you 24 25 Hume Excellent question 26 27 Cadena Thank you, Councillor 28 29 Sorg Mr Chairman 30 31 Cadena Yes, Councillor Sorg 32 33 Sorg I'm trying to wrap my head around this "maintaining and increase the 34 management." Could you explain what that means? 35 36 Hume Well, the purpose behind that statement is that the management of the 37 existing transportation system must come first before we expand and 38 either build new roadways or widen existing roadways For example, one 39 example is the use of what's called "ITS", Imposing Transportation 40 System, and what is done is technology is used in order to make sure that, 41 for example, signal timing is optimized and traffic patterns change over the 42 course of the day Well, utilizing technologies through ITS those variances 43 throughout the day can be accounted for and so oftentimes, what happens 44 is instead of needing to, perhaps, adding an additional lane of traffic we 45 just need traffic to flow better and so it's a difference between adding 46 capacity and improving traffic flow 24 I Sorg All you had to say is Main Street and Elks Drive and that would have 2 explained it right there 'cause you do exactly that and it's very good It 3 needs to be tweaked a little bit, maybe, but it's good 4 5 Cadena Thank you 6 7 Sorg Thank you 8 9 Hume So, again following through the org chart that I showed before what we've 10 identified, and we included this in your packet, this matrix that is at the end 11 of the discussion here in your packet — we've identified several strategies, 12 1 think there's about three dozen strategies or so here and, in the past 13 what we had done is try to match strategies to particular modes or 14 particular policies Again, in an effort to look at this system holistically what 15 we've done instead is identified the strategies that are most important and, 16 realizing that there's going to be some cross-pollination, if you will, one 17 strategy might benefit all of the goals and all of the policies under those 18 goals — or they might benefit maybe one or two But rather than trying to 19 assign things or keep things sort of in silos, what we prefer to do is group 20 them according them how they best serve the system and so you see the 21 toolbox is there We have toolboxes for design elements, for management 22 plans, we talked about the mobility zones and we'll get to that in lust a bit; 23 prioritizing what works in areas, being a resource and outreach center and 24 also other processes that we undertake as the MPO And so, again we're 25 trying to look at this rather than from a car, bike, pedestrian aspect we're 26 trying to look at the transportation system as a whole and how we can 27 weave all of these strategies around and come up with the most 28 enhancements and the most benefits for the system as a whole To this 29 point we've talked about pretty much all of the steps that we outlined at 30 the beginning here, again, taking you through the essence of the concept 31 of the Transport 2040 We hit on virtually all of these We're not quite 32 ready with the financial plan, the performance measures or anything like 33 that so I don't have those (inaudible) yet but are there any questions about 34 Transport 2040 from a conceptual aspect or anything that you noticed in 35 the packet thus far, not counting Mobility Zones because we (Inaudible) a 36 special attention to those Any questions, comments? 37 38 Cadena Questions, comments, anybody? 39 40 Hume Let me go back through here and talk specifically about mobility zones As 41 you can see, and I will read this point here it's a planning tool that can be 42 used for assessing transportation land use characteristics of an area and 43 identifying needs and priorities One of the things that Vision 2040 talks 44 about is growth areas, model growth areas This is a similar concept that 45 has very different applications What I want to point out is that, first of all 46 we've provided a little bit more definition As you can see — this is an area 25 I that could be defined as a mobility zone Here's one in a rather 2 undeveloped area Here's one in a more developed area here in southern 3 Las Cruces A lot of times when you look at the transportation system as a 4 whole you look at Principal Arterials crossing an entire region You look at 5 Collectors in smaller areas taking us out to Arterials and yet sometimes 6 we can not necessarily get a good picture of how that impacting a smaller 7 area, a more localized area And so Staff has been working on this idea 8 called mobility zones as a way to better analyze how the thoroughfare 9 system, as well as the land uses in a particular area, will work together As 10 you notice there in the sort of boxed up area here we can use these areas 11 to analyze things like a land use mix, comparing residential, commercial, 12 office, those types of land uses We can do what's called a connectivity 13 index which basically looks like all of the links of a roadway, all the 14 segments of a roadway, and compares it to the intersection and a well- 15 planned area, for example, if you look at this area right here this is going 16 to have a very high connectivity index because you have a gridded system 17 and there are a few cul-de-sacs in this area but in general the streets 18 connect with each other You get a good dispersion of traffic and you have 19 multiple routes to get to the same place Whereas a route, for example 20 this area here as planned out would have a very low connectivity index 21 because it's all basically looped in and there's not really many choices to 22 get around in this neighborhood and so we can measure that. We actually 23 can assign a value to something We can look at the location of where 24 schools are being proposed, in other words, in this case where schools 25 are already located There's a bunch of other things I'm not going to go 26 into all of the details We're still working out this concept and we're pretty 27 excited about the potential that this idea has as far as assisting local 28 entities when examining developments, assisting us as Staff when new 29 developments come in and people want to make recommendations about 30 Collectors and so on and so forth So we see this as having a lot of 31 potential I'm going to end my discussion there and ask if there are any 32 questions or comments about specifically the mobility zones 33 34 Cadena Questions? Comments? Councillor Thomas 35 36 Thomas Thank you So can you say a little bit more about how the mobility zones 37 and the 2040 growth areas might interact? 38 39 Hume Well, preliminary, and I'll preface the statement by saying that your model 40 growth areas are just that* they're models that could be applied in many 41 different ways and in many different areas What a mobility zone does is it 42 takes that concept and actually tries to see how it can apply in a particular 43 area and one of the questions that has come up through the Vision 2040 44 discussion is this sounds great on areas that are undeveloped, like we 45 see in the lower mobility zones but not necessarily how they can be 46 applied in areas that are already developed, such as in the upper one 26 I And what we're trying to show through these concepts is that you already 2 have some of this that already exists For example, you have this civic 3 center here with the park, this gathering place, right next to the school So 4 in some cases it happened automatically through the development of the 5 city But we've gotten away from that. So, in older areas of town how do 6 we improve those connections and in newer areas how do we create 7 those connections through planned growth and that coordination between 8 land (inaudible) planning So this is more almost looking at it a lower 9 level, more implementation level, a proposed implementation level versus 10 a very conceptual level at Vision 2040 (inaudible) 11 12 Thomas Okay Yeah, I was hoping you would say something about the organic 13 emergence of some of the things that are talked about and with Vision 14 2040 since you and I have been at some of the same meetings and so 1 15 was also interested in the maps that Caeri had with the earlier 16 presentation that laid out where the schools are located and where the 17 human services are designed, where the employment destinations are 18 `cause it seems to me that if we're going to tie the use of the Vision 2040 19 concept to the growth areas one thing that's come out in our 20 discussions is, and I like the way you did this is, that it needs to be 21 scalable, that is it needs to be something that can work in a not very 22 densely developed, not much development yet, and also in areas that are 23 already developed I think it would be useful at some point to be able to 24 see some of these other items that were in Caen's presentation about, 25 well, how many employment centers are there in this area and how many 26 schools are there all those various things that need to be connected and 27 that contribute to the intent of Vision 2040, whether or not you've got a 28 highly livable neighborhood or community 29 30 Hume And, Mr Chair, just for the benefit of all of the Committee Members I dust 31 want to address that a little bit. Throughout this process what we're doing 32 when we're putting together the mobility zone is we are actually doing just 33 what you're discussing, Councillor, laying all of these items together, we're 34 looking at the potential for development, a new maybe transit satellite 35 center, and we're looking at some of these urban areas or more 36 commercial areas have already grown up in our area and we're trying to 37 find connections and patterns between these and analyze what has 38 worked and what hasn't worked and how can we improve what hasn't 39 worked but make sure what is working is replicated in other areas so that 40 we have a well-functioning transportation system So I appreciate your 41 bringing out those points Maybe what we'll do at our next meeting is we 42 can go into more detail about how we look for those type of patterns and 43 done some of those analyses 44 27 I Thomas I think it might be interesting and helpful for many of us to see what 2 happens when you layer those maps so some people have a sense of 3 what you can do with GIS 4 5 Cadena Councillor Pedroza 6 7 Pedroza One of the concerns that I've met most often when I was canvassing is 8 concerned with the speed that people go on smaller streets, the residential 9 streets and it seems to me as if when you're talking about connectivity 10 would give rise to more speed possibly Is there some way that you're 11 thinking about serving the need as the people express it to slow down on 12 residential streets while at the same time increasing the connectivity? 13 14 Hume That's an excellent question and that is a very interesting balancing act 15 There's a couple of things, I think, that go along with that. The first is that, 16 particularly in newer areas, more so in newer areas, but also there's a 17 couple of roadways, I think, in the center of town, Hadley, I think is one of 18 them, that are really wide roadways And one of the things that has been 19 studied is that the more room people have the heavier the foot becomes 20 because they feel more comfortable going fast. And so one of the things 21 we're looking at and, I believe it's in our list of strategies here, but that is to 22 look at traffic calming and whether that be narrowing roadways or bringing 23 in street trees, because that makes people feel less comfortable and drive 24 slower, bringing buildings up to the sidewalk. 25 There's a lot of aspects of not only how you design a roadway but 26 how you design a neighborhood that slows traffic down while still keeping 27 connectivity The second thing I want to mention is that in general — well, 1 28 could actually mention them together — the other aspect is the design of 29 the neighborhood itself I did sort of "glom" those two together And what 30 aspects are going on in that neighborhood? That's why a lot of people like 31 cul-de-sacs because people can't go through them but yet they lose that 32 connectivity We're not saying do away with cul-de-sacs, because in 33 certain aspects they do serve a good purpose, but when you design the 34 neighborhood make sure there's connectivity, perhaps, for walking and 35 biking Now Caen mentioned that a little bit earlier with the bike and 36 pedestrian letter Again, bringing houses up to the roadway, narrowing the 37 roadways, looking at all those things actually helps to calm traffic in those 38 areas while still maintaining connectivity 39 40 Cadena Good comments 41 42 Hume Any other questions about mobility zones? Okay This is kind of a new 43 concept and from Staff's perspective, honestly we haven't been able to 44 find anywhere else that is doing exactly this and so we're sort of learning 45 as we go This is an amalgamation of a lot of different ideas that we found 46 in some really good transportation plans that have been done and we're 28 I sort of seeing if we can't generate something new out of these ideas, and 2 also it's something that makes Staff's life a little easier, too, when we're 3 trying to analyze stuff and bring you all some good information 4 So, the next step — I lust want to wrap up with this We hope to 5 have a full draft of this document next month, actually, January 2010 We 6 want to do public input — this actually been updated — February through 7 March — not January through February but February through March — 8 we're blocking out final edits in March and trying to, again, meet an 9 adoption date of May but we do have a two-month cushion built in just in 10 case, we all know, that things usually take a little bit longer than we 11 planned and so we tried to plan a little extra time and yet still have our 12 Transportation Plan done on time in 2010 So, with that I will be happy to 13 answer any questions about Metropolitan Transportation Plans, Transport 14 2040 or anything that we've gone over this evening 15 16 Cadena Well done Any further questions, comments? 17 18 Krahling Mr Chair? 19 20 Cadena Yes, Commissioner Krahling You've been awfully quiet tonight. 21 22 Krahling I try to be quiet most nights so it'll be productive All the good comments 23 are coming from that end and that end and I'll lust say, "me, too " I'll dust 24 keep quiet. This is exciting This is a good plan When I was in college 1 25 remember making fun of the transportation community, roads changing 26 names, things like that and really just laughing at it, feeling like it wasn't 27 planned Since I've become a County Commissioner, being on the MPO, 28 being involved in some of the talks with Vision 2040 and this, specifically, 29 seeing plans for the future lust makes me just feel really good about what 30 we're doing So just two comments and it's short notice for this one but 31 Councillor Sorg and I are involved in a public meeting, I guess, for 32 tomorrow night and, as I was sitting here, listening to this and thinking 33 about some of the things that are going to come up on my next comment 1 34 wondered whether or not it might be a good idea to start involving some of 35 this information from Transport 2040 in those meetings and so, if possible, 36 short notice and so if it's not that's fine but it might be cool to get you guys 37 out there and put those big pictures, the big maps up So if you're looking 38 for something to do tomorrow feel free to join us If you're already booked 39 up the day before is certainly not a reasonable request and if not, that's 40 cool 41 42 Hume Where and when? 43 44 Krahling Mesilla Valley Hospital, six o'clock, and I need to talk to Bill before you 45 leave Second comment: the reason that I bring that idea up is, at our 46 Commission meeting, gosh, yesterday? It was a long one Commissioner 29 I Butler raised some concerns that really didn't have to do with the 2 Resolution that we passed with Complete Streets but really seemed to me 3 to have more to do with Transport 2040 and future plans, specifically 4 talking about the connection of 1-25 for Engler Road, some of the concerns 5 of constituents on the west side but in his district, and so I would request 6 that you be proactive and give him a call, see whether or not you can't set 7 up a meeting to sit down with him and talk about the plan, where we are in 8 it and if you can't seem to get that accomplished let me know and I'll try to 9 help that. But the concerns that he was raising seemed like something that 10 we ought to try to address or at least make him aware of what's going on 11 here as we move forward I guess that's it. Thanks Good job 12 13 Cadena I think the idea to get some of this information out in other public meetings 14 is great. I would lust suggest, so that we know we've taxed the Staff, that 15 you put them on first or give them a certain amount of time and let them 16 move on to the next that's dust an idea 17 18 Krahling You know what? If you want to do it — do it and if you don't — don't and if 19 you do, let me know what we can do to make it convenient for you and we 20 will 21 22 Hume And, Mr Chair, it might be a situation where we just set up our boards and 23 let people come back and let people come ask and be available to answer 24 questions if that might be best. 25 26 Cadena That's a good point. Just want to make sure that it's all coordinated 27 28 Hume We have boards and we will try then 29 30 Cadena Good Anyone else? Any more comments, Commission? 31 32 Arzabal We're from the Valley down here but from talking the way the City and 33 everything is going and the way that you all are putting together, who 34 knows what another six years, ten years, fifteen years from now, who 35 knows what's going to be on this board but this is a good process It's 36 awesome! It's great. It's a lot of work that you all have done It's something 37 that's going to make it a lot easier for a lot of development and for the 38 future It's great. Good job 39 40 Cadena Good comment. 41 42 73 Development Review 43 44 Mr Hume said there was nothing outstanding to discuss 45 46 30 1 74 NMDOT Staff Updates 2 3 Mike Gallagher said there were no updates 4 5 8 COMMITTEE AND STAFF COMMENTS 6 7 Thomas I had a couple of things I wanted to bring up — Committee and Staff 8 comments — but they had to do with DOT so can I do that now? 9 10 Cadena Yes, you can 11 12 Thomas Okay, thanks You know Councillor Sorg and I were at the Bicycle, 13 Equestrian — the Stake meeting? And you reported on several projects 14 that included, you know, bicycle or pedestrian — so since then I've gotten 15 some comments from people and I wanted to be able to pass them on So 16 one was about Valley and the fact that Valley is a nationally designated 17 bike road and so several people have expressed concerns to me that 18 there aren't bike lanes planned for that and it has no planned use for 19 that and so has there been any more discussion about what's 20 happening with Valley in terms of bicycle? 21 22 Gallagher- Mr Chair, Councillor Thomas, the biggest issue we've had with Valley 23 Drive is right-of-way The project that we have planned for 2010 and 2011 24 we're (inaudible) the right-of-way We don't have enough bonds to acquire 25 a lane outside of our right-of-way The right-of-way that we have — we 26 have not picked one particular design Our Project Development Engineer, 27 the (inaudible) Design, they're going through a series of different design 28 alternatives but at this time it looks like there are right-of-way constraints 29 so we wouldn't have, necessarily, any (inaudible) bicycle lanes We've got 30 a shoulder on each side but it hasn't been determined that we will have a 31 natural in-road bicycle lane At the same time we're not excluding that 32 option either Right now the constraint that we have is funds We have 33 enough funds at this time to do sidewalks compliant with ADA standards, 34 roadway reconstruction, adding signal lights, adding street lights and, 35 possibly, signalization at McClure, but we do not have additional funds to 36 acquire right-of-way Some of the businesses along there, Lightning 37 Computers is one of them, for instance, we would have to absorb most of 38 their parking lot in the front So right now that's the constraint that we have 39 for adding in-road bicycle lane on Valley Drive 40 41 Cadena What's the length of that project? 42 43 Gallagher- The length of that project? It would go from Picacho north to about 44 Dalrymple I gave a presentation here a while ago I could get the actual 45 mileage I forget the actual mileage I think it's about a two-mile length 46 project — yeah, I believe it's about two miles We are putting in sidewalks 31 I and drainage improvements, street lighting, signalization, but those I can 2 comment for sure on 3 4 Thomas There's just no way then with the existing right-of-way to make it more 5 bicycle-friendly except, possibly on Clovis (?), but yet sidewalks, isn't that 6 a problem then, too? I mean, there are sidewalks on the shoulders 7 8 Gallagher- Well, we won't actually have sidewalks We wouldn't have sidewalks on 9 the shoulders We would actually have sidewalks, maybe, for pedestrians 10 Given the traffic count that we have now — and I don't have that traffic 11 count with me — following our DOT Standards the lane would have to be 12 four-foot wide Don't quote me right now because I don't have I believe 13 it would have to be four-foot wide, given the traffic count but the twelve- 14 feet wide on each lane plus the four-feet wide puts us in a real tight 15 constraint with any additional room that we have to bring in a bicycle lane 16 and that's where we're at in the project. To be quite honest, we had this 17 project programmed in 2010 and then an additional million dollars of is 18 had been funded in 2011 With that amount of funding can complete what 19 1 described If we were to expand the scope of work to include additional 20 right-of-way then we wouldn't be able to do this project at all and we would 21 be doing the project elsewhere 22 23 Cadena Is there any way to design it to potentially include that in the future if there 24 were further funds? 25 26 Gallagher- Mr Chair, I couldn't tell you that. The biggest issue is on the west side of 27 Valley and the businesses there We would have to acquire their property 28 If we were to have to do that if we had a project scope that required 29 acquiring right-of-way from those businesses then this project would be 30 prohibitive and we would be looking at doing something else with it. 31 32 Thomas I guess I'm interested in seeing I've heard you say this before, too, that 33 you're looking at design alternatives and is it possible for you to bring 34 some of those to us and let us see what you're trying to do there and 35 involve people like George and other people from the biking community as 36 the project goes on? 37 38 Gallagher- Well, Mr Chair, Councillor, I believe we could do that. I know, for instance, 39 tomorrow we have a similar kind of project off of Picacho and Main Street 40 and I believe the City's Infill Staff is going to be at that meeting with DOT 41 at 1 30 tomorrow Yes, yes — so that's an example of how we do inform 42 the MPO Staff, your Staff, on the types of designs that we're working on 43 44 Thomas That was the other area that's been brought up, of course, is the whole 45 North Main area because we're trying to develop in the Downtown a very 46 walkable pedestrian-oriented street and, you know, it doesn't do any good 32 I then if it's going to (inaudible) the Downtown It's not possible to continue 2 in a pedestrian-bicycle-oriented way going north from there, 3 4 Gallagher- That's one of the reasons why we brought this project up as opposed to 5 leaving it out. The DOT concurred with that completely This project was 6 currently in the fiscal year, I believe, 2013 and we actually brought that 7 project up because we understand the urgency in this project given the 8 new city hall and the Downtown Revitalization and this is what I brought 9 up in my last presentation at the last meeting We're meeting with the 10 MPO Staff and Staff of the City of Las Cruces tomorrow to talk about the 11 Picacho Phase III Project or Main Street (inaudible) but we do understand 12 and we agree with the need for pedestrian and bicycle facilities At the 13 same time, having that with the balance of the amount of funding that we 14 have and the right-of-way that we have and those are the concerns that 15 we have to work within 16 17 Thomas I'm lust hoping that we're looking at all the possibilities and I know that a 18 lot of cities have come up with some pretty creative solutions on how to 19 include the bicycle and pedestrian park, given the limited By the way, and 20 of course, those of us who sit up here, we're the ones who hear from the 21 public and they say, "Well, why are they doing this?" So I like to be 22 informed and I like to hear about how the planning's progressing and, you 23 know, try to encourage (inaudible) for as many creative solutions as 24 possible 25 26 Gallagher- And I would only hope, Mr Chair and Councillor Thomas, that the MPO 27 Staff and the City will bring some creative ideas forward in the meeting 28 that we have with them 29 30 Thomas Okay Thank you 31 32 Benavidez. Mr Chair? 33 34 Cadena Yes 35 36 Benavidez. Michael, I need to ask you a question Right down Valley Drive in to 37 Tashiro the turn as you're coming south on Valley when you're turning 38 onto Tashiro is so narrow and there's no radius there So are there any 39 plans on widening that? You literally have to come to almost a stop so that 40 you won't hit another car So, are there any plans to fix that at all? 41 42 Gallagher- Mr Chair, Commissioner Benavidez, the (inaudible) that we spoke of 43 earlier on Valley Drive from Picacho to the south end to Dalrymple on the 44 north end includes that area on Tashiro and this is the area that we are 45 talking about reconstructing and making those types of improvements 46 33 I Benavidez Okay, so you're going to make that radius wider so that cars coming into 2 Tashiro won't collide because, you see, there's been some really close 3 misses right there 4 5 Gallagher- I can't tell you specifically on where exactly along Valley Drive I can give 6 you a termini and tell you that the purpose of this project is to increase the 7 safety on this area and to reconstruct the roadway 8 9 Cadena I guess the suggestion is to look at that intersection and see if there can 10 be an improvement 11 12 Benavidez. Yes 13 14 Gallagher- We can do that. 15 16 Benavidez. Yes, definitely look at that. Are you putting sidewalks on the east side of 17 Valley Drive? 18 19 Gallagher- We're putting sidewalks on the west side, the same side as the high 20 school 21 22 Benavidez Not on the east side? You know, a lot of kids from Mayfield they go 23 across the street for lunch and they go down to Subway and there's no 24 sidewalks and the kids are like literally almost on the street. 25 26 Gallagher- Actually, I believe that we're doing both I'll look into it and let Staff know 27 tomorrow and then they can contact you or I can e-mail you 28 29 Cadena What's the timeline of that project? When are you looking at ? 30 31 Gallagher- The project would be let in fall of 2010 32 33 Cadena In other words there's time, maybe, at our January meeting to it seems 34 like there's a lot of interest in that project, to come in with some of your 35 alternative plans and get them on the slide so we can look at them, 36 discuss them and have input. Is that acceptable to the Committee? 37 38 (All Committee) Yes 39 40 Cadena Is that something you can do? 41 42 Gallagher- I'll have to talk with the MPO Staff and see if we can do that and I'll let 43 them know by the end of this week 44 45 Cadena Okay 46 34 I Gallagher- I can't speak for 2 3 Cadena If we ask the MPO then they'll do it. 4 5 Gallagher- I just can't speak for our design here I don't know 6 7 Cadena All I'm asking you to do here is to coordinate it and if it can't be that 8 meeting it can be another one Yes, thank you 9 10 Benavidez. Thank you 11 12 Cadena Is there anyone on Staff that has any comments? 13 14 Murphy- Mr Chairman, Members of the Committee, lust one more transportation- 15 related meeting tomorrow at Picacho Middle School there will be a public 16 presentation by URS and the City of Las Cruces on the proposed 17 Jackrabbit Interchange redesigns 18 19 Cadena Okay 20 21 Murphy- I'll be in attendance there but I just wanted to put that date out there and 22 anybody on the western part of the MPO area is interested 23 24 Cadena Thank you, Tom Any Committee Members have further comments 25 26 Thomas Just one more — we all received a letter from someone who has a child at 27 Mayfield High School and this probably, therefore, applies to DOT, as well 28 but I just want to pass it on She recites why they're having a lot of 29 problems with the traffic around Mayfield High School and so it's not any 30 of our district so I wanted to pass it on to MPO and New Mexico 31 Department of Transportation so you know that this concern been 32 blessed 33 34 Cadena Thank you for bringing that forward 35 36 9 PUBLIC COMMENT 37 38 Cadena Any other Staff comments? Is there anyone left in the public that wants to 39 make a comment? George, you're the only public left. Do you want to 40 make a comment? 41 42 Murphy- Mr Commissioner, I wanted to remind you of one more meeting on the 43 fifteenth the DOT is hosting a meeting on the 1-25 work from University 44 Avenue to the Dona Ana interchange, which will also include the Engler or 45 the Kennedy crossroads, as well And I will research that and get the time 46 and place out to the Committee tomorrow 35 I Cadena I appreciate that. 3 10 ADJOURNMENT 4 5 Cadena MPO Policy Committee, I think we're done until 2010 so everyone have a 6 safe and great holiday 7 8 9 Meeting adjourned at 6 44 p m 10 11 12 13 14 Chair 15 16 17 36