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09-09-2009 I LAS CRUCES METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION 2 POLICY COMMITTEE (PC) MEETING 3 4 Following are the minutes from the MPO Policy Committee (PC) meeting held on 5 Wednesday, September 9, 2009 at 5 00 p m at Dona Ana County Commission 6 Chambers, 845 N Motel Blvd , Las Cruces, NM 7 8 MEMBERS PRESENT Mayor Michael Cadena (Town of Mesilla) 9 Councillor Dolores Archuleta (CLC) 10 Commissioner Karen Perez (DAC) 11 Commissioner Scott Krahling (DAC) 12 Commissioner Leticia Duarte-Benavidez (DAC) 13 Councillor Sharon Thomas (CLC) 14 15 MEMBERS ABSENT Trustee Sam Bernal (Town of Mesilla) 16 Councilor Gil Jones (CLC) 17 Trustee Carlos Arzabal (Town of Mesilla) 18 19 STAFF PRESENT Tom Murphy (MPO Officer) 20 Andy Hume (Acting Senior Planner) 21 Caerllion Thomas (Acting Planner) 22 Andrew Wray (Planning Technician) 23 24 OTHERS PRESENT Michael Gallagher (NMDOT) 25 Frank Guzman (NMDOT) 26 Matt Kenney (DVI) 27 John Gwynne (Engineers Inc ) 28 John Moscato (Bright View Land Co ) 29 Robert Gonzales (Tortugas Imp Assoc ) 30 Cathy Mathews (League of Women Voters) 31 Maria A. Baldon 32 Cecilia Archuleta 33 Louis Lee 34 Ramon Lee 35 Art Archuleta 36 37 1 CALL TO ORDER 38 39 The meeting was called to order at 5 00 p m Mayor Cadena asked for a roll call 40 41 Murphy- Commissioner Perez 42 43 Perez. Present. 44 45 Murphy- Commissioner Krahling 46 1 I Krahling Present. 2 3 Murphy Commissioner Benavidez 4 5 Benavidez Present. 6 7 Murphy Mayor ProTem Archuleta 8 9 Archuleta Present. 10 11 Murphy- Councillor Thomas 12 13 Thomas Present. 14 15 Murphy- Mayor Cadena 16 17 Cadena Yes, here 18 19 2 CONFLICT OF INTEREST INQUIRY - None 20 21 3 PUBLIC COMMENT 22 23 Gonzales My name is Robert Gonzales I am chairman of the Tortugas 24 Improvement Association and right now we're having big problems on 25 traffic going through Tortugas and we're situated in such a manner that 26 the City surrounds us completely We're completely surrounded by the 27 City, but we're still under the County and right now we're having a lot of 28 problems with traffic cutting through Tortugas to get from South Main 29 Street to Stern Drive and as you know, we're attempting right now, the 30 State Highway Department has put up barricades and restrictions on 31 some of the streets leading to Stern Drive because of the big traffic jams 32 that we have there and right now I just wanted it to be known that we're 33 looking for ways to develop alternate routes around Tortugas because 34 Tortugas is situated in such a manner that the streets cannot handle a lot 35 of this traffic and now with the development of the housing areas that are 36 going to be developed south of Tortugas past College Heights and 37 Salopek area, we're expecting a big increase of traffic Also a new high 38 school is going to be built in that area and right now we're looking at, we 39 are going to be swamped with traffic and we have in a such a manner that 40 one area of concern to a lot of the residents, one of the intersection is 41 used as a pickup and drop off point for elementary school children The 42 buses stop right there in the middle of the street, pick up children and take 43 them to school and then drop them off in the same place, but we're 44 concerned about the children that are waiting for the buses to arrive to get 45 on the buses because during that period the traffic is pretty heavy If the 46 police are there, they disobey all the traffic rules and right now I would like 2 I to let it be known that we're looking for ways for help in trying to resolve 2 this problem 4 Cadena Thank you for those comments As Chair I have been made aware of the 5 issue and I've asked staff, Tom more specifically, to start the 6 conversations with the DOT and see what ideas they can bring forth to us 7 to try to help resolve that issue Tom 8 9 Murphy Thank you, Mr Chair We'll go ahead and start discussing the situation 10 with the DOT staff and see what options are available and we can report 11 back to you at the October Policy Committee meeting Hopefully, 12 something will be in process by then, but we'll definitely begin discussions 13 with them 14 15 Cadena Yeah, hopefully, if you can keep contact with myself and let me know what 16 ideas are being proposed so that by the October meeting we might 17 actually have some ideas that we might be able to move forward with 18 Anybody else on this topic, Committee or public? Yes, Mayor ProTem 19 20 Archuleta Thank you, Mr Chairman I do have a question Is this traffic increase, 21 has this been as a result, has this been in the last six months, the last 22 year, the last three months or how long has this, why did this start I guess 23 is a better question 24 25 Murphy- Mr Chair, Mayor ProTem Archuleta, I believe that the concerns started 26 well over a year ago Commissioner Perez had a neighborhood meeting, 27 when was it last August when this whole process started 28 29 Perez It was close to a year ago 30 31 Murphy Some subdivisions that came online early 2008, probably 2007, has led to 32 the increase in traffic in the Tortugas area and then I imagine the 33 barricades had gone up at some point during the summer and when 34 school started back up the problems became visible, if I'm interpreting the 35 situation correctly 36 37 Perez Madame Vice Chair, if I may, last year the highway department worked 38 with the community through a series of charettes and staff attended a 39 couple of those and there was a pretty good community turnout and at that 40 point the decision was made, let me back up It's kind of an odd situation 41 because Tortugas Drive that goes right through Tortugas is State highway 42 and so is South Main and so is Stern, so you've got a little community with 43 local streets, (inaudible) We're dealing with drainage issues and all kinds 44 of little things within the community is now bounded on three sides by 45 highway So the highway department came in and did a serious of 46 charettes and we tried to come up with a solution by barricading that kind 3 I of odd turnout there by the, I think it's a Baptist church there in the corner, 2 that let outlets on Stern Completely barricading that because people 3 were cutting through the church parking lot and coming out at add angles 4 and right on to Union and partially barricade there by the ballpark so that 5 the flow of traffic would be a little bit more even and frankly people would 6 be a little discouraged and want to go out to Union and the barricades 7 have been up for a couple of months and what people are seeing is it's 8 making people angry and they are cutting down the little side streets and 9 they're tearing through town and they're jumping around barricades and 10 we've got some interesting confessions from the priest as far as his traffic 11 routing but having gone there and being late for a meeting, I understand 12 what they're talking about because it does, it makes it really aggravating 13 and the worst part of it is, it's good for Tortugas but bad for the traffic 14 situation as the County's starting construction on the road improvement on 15 Juan Diego, which right now is where everybody is dumping onto and then 16 cutting through in front of the church and through the side streets So 17 once we partially close Juan Diego and we're working on pavement and 18 drainage improvements, it's going to be even worse So the community 19 came at the last Tortugas meeting, they're a very, very coordinated 20 community The last community meeting they came forward with a 21 petition and asked to have the barricades removed So I know that the 22 DOT has looked at that and is now trying to come up with solutions, so 23 hopefully they've made some headway and when we have these 24 discussions we can resolve that problem before the construction starts on 25 Juan Diego 26 27 Archuleta Thank you Commissioner and I think my concern is the children, if they 28 are waiting out there and we're going to have an accident and we're going 29 to hear about it, so Mr Chairman, if we could set that as a priority 30 31 Cadena Yes, definitely Anyone else on this particular topic and if there's people 32 that get here late, we'll open it up again at the end of the meeting 33 34 Perez Mr Chair, I believe the people who are coming in, also have comments on 35 the Tortugas situation If we wanted to hear them all in a group, maybe 36 that would be 37 38 Cadena Alright, if those people lust walked in, we're about to close the Tortugas 39 discussion, if you have something on that, please approach 40 41 Baldon My name is Maria Baldon and I'm a resident of Tortugas and we have had 42 a barricade over there for about a month already and the people are very, 43 very uncomfortable with it. It is causing a lot of problems, you know, the 44 traffic has gotten worse because now they're cutting in through the 45 residents They're cutting in through Salopek, they're cutting in through 46 Juan Diego because the main drag, there is Tortugas Road and it has 4 1 been closed That's the one that is barricaded, so lust to avoid people 2 getting to Tombaugh, but they're still going through there They're still 3 going through Tortugas They'll find a way in there and it's very, very 4 dangerous because there are kids that have to walk now to their bus stop 5 because their bus stop has been blocked and now they're having to walk 6 The parents have to take them in every morning Now there's people that 7 have to go Las Cruces High, they're going to the University and there is 8 now way that they can get into Stern because all the traffic's coming from 9 that direction turning into Tortugas, so they can never make a left turn 10 There are two streets that are blocked One for a left turn and Tortugas 11 Drive for the whole thing and it is causing, I don't know why, you know 12 because we've got, I got a petition also for widening of the road Tortugas 13 Road is very dangerous The kids are walking to Pic Quik, because 14 there's a little shopping center now there The kids are walking to the little 15 Pic Quik there and there's people that even have the wheelchairs that are 16 not capable of walking, so they want to go to the store but they cannot do 17 it because that road is only big enough for two automobiles But this 18 barricade has really, really been very inconvenient for all of us 19 20 Cadena So your petition is to remove the barricades and to widen the street or is it 21 just to remove the barricade? 22 23 Baldon Well, whatever you can do for us because we've never had anything done 24 in Tortugas We're up in a donut hole and we're taxpayers and we're 25 demanding a little bit more of a better transportation model there 26 27 Cadena On Tortugas would that require, does anyone know, acquiring private 28 property to widen that street? Does anyone know? 29 30 Perez. Yes 31 32 Cadena It would, okay, are there any other comments on the Tortugas situation? 33 We have asked staff to work with the DOT, whose here as well, to look 34 into that situation and get back with us Frank, I guess without putting you 35 on the spot, do you have any type of; I mean have you been made aware 36 of this situation and I guess I'm kind of curious, it seems that people's 37 concerns is what put the barricades there in the first place, so is it not 38 solving the issue? Is that what the problem is? 39 40 Baldon Well, I don't see where it got approved Once we got up and the roads 41 were barricaded They didn't post it, they say they brought it up in a 42 meeting We had that meeting with seven people, but three of them were 43 the County people and our Senator, Mary Kay Papen, our State 44 Representative, Jonnie, and I think you were not even at that meeting, huh 45 Karen, at the one before (inaudible) 46 5 I Cadena But what I'm asking is wasn't there problems, they were trying to address 2 those problems and that's how they responded by putting up those 3 barricades 4 5 Baldon Si, but Tortugas Road does not have as many residents as what they're 6 using now I've got a map here with how many residents I took the map 7 from the assessor's office and it shows how many people are located on 8 Tile, on those back streets that are being used now They haven't sold 9 anything 10 11 Cadena I see ma'am Frank can you come up here and give us some type of a 12 comment? 13 14 Guzman Yes sir, Mr Chairman, District 1, NMDOT staff has taken various sort of 15 role in Tortugas We've met with these folks, myself and members of my 16 staff and we're trying several different things to try to alleviate that pass 17 through traffic from Stern to Main and this was one of those attempts to try 18 to do that. There may come a point where our traffic engineer needs to go 19 out there and do an assessment and I think that's ongoing and those 20 results are going to be coming forth and we'll represent to the Village 21 whenever those results are available, that evaluation and certainly if on 22 any of the measures that we've taken, if we need to take a step back and 23 we have cooperation from our local officials and from the community we'll 24 certainly look at that, but that was the whole idea, Mr Chairman, is for that 25 through traffic From a bigger picture perspective, from a planning 26 perspective, I've talked to Bobby about this a little bit is that there needs to 27 be another east/west connection along Tortugas Arroyo, I believe it's 28 called, there appears that there may be some sort of a right-of-way section 29 that would provide for a very nice road, another way of getting from one 30 end of town to the other That may tend to alleviate that through traffic on 31 Tortugas Drive Tortugas Drive is very similar to NM 101, it's very similar 32 to Calle del Norte, it's very narrow We've got some challenges with 33 environmental issues We've got challenges with right-of-way acquisition 34 and the historical nature of that route, so we'd be faced with some 35 challenges to widen that road 36 37 Cadena Yes, Mayor ProTem 38 39 Archuleta Thank you, Mr Chairman, and I think that those who came in from 40 Tortugas, Bobby Gonzales gave us a good report on what's happening 41 there and my concern was the children, now what does NMDOT have, 42 what jurisdiction do they have over the schools, the public schools 43 because I'm assuming this is public schools in that, schools from the 44 Mesilla Valley Christian Church, is that correct? The children who are 45 standing there, because they wouldn't be bussed 46 6 I Guzman To answer your first question, NMDOT doesn't have any jurisdiction with 2 the schools, Councillor; however, at several of our meetings we did have 3 Las Cruces Public Schools bus system, the transportation director, I don't 4 remember his name, but he was there on a couple of occasions and we 5 talked about different things 6 7 Archuleta Okay, so they've been made aware of the problem, then 8 9 Guzman Absolutely 10 11 Archuleta Thank you 12 13 Cadena Alright, lust for the public to understand, we're a Policy Committee that 14 deals with all the transportation, but our funding mechanisms are very 15 limited but I think what we can do here is encourage the MPO staff, 16 meaning Tom Murphy here, and DOT to work together and try to come up 17 with some resolutions and also, I think the efforts are appreciated to put 18 the barricades in the first place, but it's not doing what its supposed to do 19 and we need to monitor it and come up with some alternative solutions 20 Seems like we have some short term problems and potential solutions, 21 whether it's removing barricades or doing whatever we need to do and 22 then long term, potentially I think we do need some east/west, some 23 further east/west streets there and if we're talking about that arroyo, 24 maybe that's what we ought to follow through So the idea is to get that 25 on our list here, get it on the ISP and get it on our list so it can start being 26 considered through public meetings and otherwise for funding, so that's 27 how that whole process works 28 29 Benavidez Mr Chair, I lust wanted to ask one of the members of Tortugas, what 30 about the Sheriff's department as a short term solution for right now, for 31 the safety of the children Are the Sheriff's deputies out there monitoring 32 that traffic? Are they giving citations? Please come forward 33 34 (PUBLIC — DIDN'T STATE NAME) There is a regular Sheriff department officer 35 assigned to Tortugas They come in the morning, they come in the 36 evening, they take out a lot people and it's still 37 38 Benavidez. And that doesn't deter the people from 39 40 (PUBLIC — DIDN'T STATE NAME) No, that doesn't deter some of the traffic in there 41 Now we have recommended that the pickup points be changed, but the 42 school said that they would take that into advisement, so they haven't 43 done anything about it but the pickup point right there is still there and it's 44 right there at the Tile and Tortugas Drive, it gets pretty congested right 45 there 46 7 I Benavidez Has the speeding gone down a little bit now that the Sheriff's are there? 2 3 (PUBLIC — DIDN'T STATE NAME) Well, a little bit, but not much Still when they leave 4 there they have to go for their breaks or their lunch or the break their 5 called to some other area, it goes back to the same problem See we 6 have a lot of college kids drive through there and young people will be 7 young people I hate to say it but I use to be the same way I guess, but 8 still it's going to be hard to control a lot of those kids, even people going to 9 work, going to NM State they use that as a shortcut, but it's a, I don't know 10 what else, how else to explain it. 11 12 Benavidez Yeah, I guess the situation is a lot more serious then, I live right off of 13 Dalyrmple and Dona Road and Valley Drive, everybody cuts through there 14 and so the people there in on Dalyrmple they finally, I guess, did a petition 15 with the Sheriff's department and they started patrolling that area and so 16 95% of the people that go there they know that when they least expect it 17 there is an officer there so they slow down but your situation probably 18 seems to be more serious 19 20 (PUBLIC — DIDN'T STATE NAME) But the Sheriff's department is doing an 21 outstanding fob in patrolling that area, but still they can only do so much 22 23 Benavidez Right, thank you 24 25 Cadena Come on up sir, if you have a comment and if there's anyone else wishes 26 to comment on this topic, come on up as well and stand in line and we'll 27 get this thing going 28 29 Archuleta My name is Arthur Archuleta I live at 332 Tile I think that we've been 30 deprived of using that street on Tortugas Drive That's a State road and 1 31 don't think it should be closed just by two or three people, I guess, but 32 there's a lot of people that are really mad about this and we had a meeting 33 on the third week of last month and it was said that we should train or 34 have people use other streets, but I'm sure that if you take those 35 barricades, within one day the traffic will flow again through there So 1 36 don't think there's any problem on the barricades There again, the 37 Sheriff's department said that they would go and if there was anybody 38 speeding, they would ticket them, so right now they say they didn't have 39 any tickets or anything, it was no speeding or anything Now if there is 40 any big trucks or anything, you should have a sign that says so many 41 axles to be allowed through there and right now there is a lot of traffic 42 going from Tortugas to the west, there at Pic Quik, where they are cutting 43 short right there at the (inaudible) where that Circle K used to be and they 44 are going around to the Pic Quik and Checkers and they are going 45 through the parking and going back to the north again, so there's a lot of 46 things going around and it's making very difficult to all the public 8 I Especially the residents there that are used to going through Stern Road 2 and going through Stern Road to the University, like for instance, 3 ourselves we have to go to town, now we have to go all the way around in 4 order to go either to Telshor, any place like that, so it's very inconvenient 5 to all the people Thank you 6 7 Baldon You know that I talked to Mr Love, Harold Love, and this afternoon and he 8 told me that to advise Ms Perez, he said that they would remove the 9 barricade and that he would understand what the situation was and that 10 they were willing to remove it, so for her to call him 11 12 Cadena Thank you I think that I'm not sure it's as simple as somebody going out 13 there tomorrow and removing them I mean we have the District here, but 14 1 mean what we're asking here as a Committee is to have our staff, which 15 is Tom Murphy, work with the DOT and study the situation and come to us 16 at our next meeting, which is a month from now, with the recommendation 17 to do something If that recommendation is to remove the barriers, well 18 then I'm sure that they'll remove the barriers But there's a process that 19 has to be followed I'm not sure, if it is that simple, well, I mean I wish 20 things were that simple for everything, but I think it's going to require some 21 type of a process So we've been made aware of it and we've advised 22 staff to come back to us with a recommendation and then we'll see what 23 we can do about it. I'm not sure what all jurisdictions are involved I don't 24 if it's only the DOT or the County's involved or what else 25 26 Baldon But he said that maybe you can find a solution as to working out 27 something else 28 29 Cadena Yes, we're asking them to come up with short term and long term 30 solutions, ma'am But we certainly do appreciate all the public, all the 31 residents of Tortugas being here and we look forward to working with you 32 to try to come up with a solution Anyone else? 33 34 4 CONSENT AGENDA Those items indicated by an asterisk (*) will be voted on 35 by one motion with the acceptance of the agenda 36 37 Cadena Is there a motion to approve the Consent Agenda? 38 39 Archuleta Move approval, Mr Chairman, of the Consent Agenda 40 41 Thomas Second 42 43 Cadena It's been moved and seconded, any discussion? All in favor 44 45 Committee Aye 46 9 1 5 *APPROVAL OF MINUTES 2 3 51 August 12, 2009 —Approved under the Consent Agenda 4 5 6 ACTION ITEMS 6 7 61 *Resolution 09-14 A Resolution adopting amendments to the Las 8 Cruces Metropolitan Planning Organization 2008-2013 Transportation 9 Improvement Program 10 11 6 1 1 LCMPO-PT-09-16 — New Mexico Park and Ride Gold Route — 12 Approved under the Consent Agenda 13 14 62 Resolution 09-15 A Resolution amending the Las Cruces MPO 15 Unified Planning Work Program (UPWP) for FY 2009/2010 conducting 16 a study of the Major Thoroughfare Plan in the Sierra Norte Area 17 18 Tom Murphy gave a brief presentation 19 20 Cadena Okay, right before you do that, if we were to do the public meeting to the 21 TAC which I think is fine, what would the process be for advertising? 22 23 Murphy The process for advertising would certainly be a legal notice in the Sun 24 News and then we would utilize our mailing list and the website in order to 25 disseminate the meeting date 26 27 Cadena Thank you Matt, do you want to come up 28 29 Kenney* Mr Chair, Committee members, my name is Matt Kenney with DVI We're 30 working on planning issues in the Sierra Norte area and had meetings with 31 the BLM and MPO staff and are recommending some changes based on 32 those meetings I'm intending to bring a full blown power point 33 presentation with maps and so forth when come forward, but I could go 34 through the roadways, if you'd like It's up to you 35 36 Cadena What's the wishes of the Committee? 37 38 Perez Mr Chairman, do you have something fairly brief that just kind of gives us 39 some context? 40 41 Kenney, I could go down each roadway and say why we're recommending that the 42 Major Thoroughfare Plan should change, but 43 44 Perez We have it in the packet. Do you have a map or some kind of overview 45 that we could see that 46 10 I Kenney- No, we didn't bring a power point this time because it was our 2 understanding that we were doing a full blown presentation for a decision 3 later 4 5 Perez. Then I guess, Mr Chairman, my question would be for staff, so what are 6 we doing today and what are we doing later? 7 8 Cadena Okay, Tom, why don't you answer that. 9 10 Murphy- Mr Chairman, Commissioner Perez, today what we're doing is amending 11 the UPWP and authorizing staff to devote it's resources and time to work 12 on this question At this point, most of our staff time is really tied up in the 13 Transportation Update and the reason why I was advocating that we 14 handle it at our regular TAC meeting was to avoid having any additional 15 meetings tying up additional staff time, just kind of as a (inaudible) as 16 many of you are aware, but Andy has been taken away from us on a 50% 17 basis to work on the VISION 2040 Plan, so we're down a half FTE within 18 the staff, so basically whatever we do needs to be accounted for within our 19 planning program and if the Committee doesn't deem these amendments 20 as necessary to go forward and that it's something that could wait to be 21 included in part of the Transportation Plan Update, you would not amend 22 the UPWP and then staff would not work on this project. 23 24 Cadena I think it would appropriate or Matt, if you could just give us a brief without 25 going through each street. What's your objective of what you're trying to 26 do? 27 28 Thomas Mr Chair, before he does that, could I ask one more question There was 29 some information in the packet about the fact that some of these changes 30 are anticipated to be in the 2040 update and some were not and the list 31 we got didn't give us that information, is it possible when we go through 32 this, do you have the list we have? 33 34 Murphy- Yes, if I can go through the list. Chiefly, the anticipated changes were 35 elimination of Lisa Lane over Goat Hill That's something that we really 36 wanted to have change since the Transportation Plan update when we 37 first kind of noticed that. 38 39 Thomas So that's something you'd be working on anyway? I'm trying to get a 40 sense here of how many things are things you'd be working on anyway, so 41 would it be adding a whole lot of work or not. 42 43 Murphy- The second thing that we would be working on anyway, would be the 44 elimination of Dragon Fly road Whether that would be included in the 45 Transportation Update, I cannot say right now We do know that BLM is 46 updating their Resource Management Plan and that, I believe, in all four 11 t I options that they put out to the public for comment, those lands which 2 Dragonfly would traverse would be taken off the disposal list for the BLM 3 and that would mostly preclude us from being able to use that as an MPO 4 thoroughfare On the other hand, for the same token in our public 5 outreach for the Transportation Plan Update, there is a great deal of 6 sentiment that this area needs a north bypass road and Dragonfly has 7 always been envisioned upon to be that north bypass road and then it 8 becomes a point, is this something that the MPO wants to take a stand 9 with and comment to the BLM saying we disagree with what your 10 proposed Resource Management Plan because the needs for the 11 residents in the area is for there to be a bypass road in that area and 12 those are questions that we'd hope to get some specific public comment 13 on through the process We could either do it through this stepped up 14 version that Mr Kenney wants or we've also been working on getting 15 those comments through MTP update 16 17 Thomas So you have been soliciting some comments on that in your open houses? 18 19 Murphy- Yes, yes we have ma'am, and then the other one, Settlers Pass 20 realignment and the break up of it, we did not anticipate that, however, 21 that kind of, our first look at is collectors really shouldn't be traversing that 22 long say from Del Rey where Settlers Pass begins to ultimately Dragonfly 23 That's a long stretch for a collector road and would probably serve the 24 transportation system to break it up in different stretches, however, that's 25 something that we've not discussed with at the TAC and we would 26 certainly want their input before proceeding and that's something since we 27 would be going to the TAC meeting anyway, I think it would be 28 appropriate 29 30 Thomas Okay, I didn't mean to lump in front of Matt's explanation, but I need this 31 sort of frame work before he talked about them individually 32 33 Cadena Well, actually, I'd like this to be really brief because really what we're 34 being asked here is if we wanted this to be allowed to go through process 35 and I don't think we want to deny anybody process During that process 36 and at the end of it is when we'll be making those decisions where we 37 agree or disagree, so I think you just need to point out the general location 38 and what you're trying to accomplish and then we decide if we want to 39 allow it to go through process or not. 40 41 Kenney* Mr Chair, Committee members, our interest was the fact that the 42 developer has an approved master plan that shows Dragonfly as an 43 arterial If it is the intention to remove it from the Major Thoroughfare 44 Plan, we like to know that sooner than later so that we can plan 45 accordingly If Dragonfly does in fact get removed then this stretch of 46 Settlers Pass is now longer functioning as a collector connecting two 12 1 arterials and so it's appropriate to remove that as well Lisa Lane goes 2 over the top of a mountain, it just doesn't make any sense, so while we're 3 at it we added that in there Settlers Pass pulls the realignment through 4 here, pulls Settlers Pass off of Goat Mountain a little bit and it currently is 5 aligned through the BLM on both sides, we're pulling it to the common 6 boundary line between the BLM and the developer's property so that 7 some or all of that alignment will be constructed by the developer within 8 their project, so those are the changes that we're requesting so that we 9 can plan accordingly 10 11 Cadena So the question for the Committee is do you feel that this warrants them 12 able to go forward with the study now 13 14 Perez Mr Chairman, I'm still horribly confused I don't understand what the, it 15 looks to me like it's been studied, this is what the developers decided to 16 do and your proposing it It doesn't look like it would be a study thing, so 17 I'm still confused 18 19 Cadena Eventually we would decide whether we want to keep these streets in 20 these areas or at least these proposed streets, so during this process at 21 the end of it, I'm assuming we're going to vote to decide if we want to keep 22 them as they're presently aligned or if we're going to remove them and so 23 on What I'm hearing from staff is they're recommending some of those 24 be removed or at least the alignments be changed Tom, come on up 25 26 Murphy- Mr Chairman, Commissioner Perez, I think I can cut through with the 27 answer We've been studying as part of the ongoing process for the MTP 28 update and certainly a lot of what's being proposed makes sense In 29 order to change it sooner rather than later, we are required by our bylaws 30 and by federal regulations to follow our Transportation Plan amendment 31 process and that's the question is do we start off that process right now or 32 do we wait six months and then allow most of this to happen anyway and 33 the developer is at the standpoint of we need to have an answer from the 34 MPO sooner, rather than later and the staff perspective on that is we can 35 operate sooner as long as it doesn't take a whole lot of staff resources in 36 order to conduct the public meeting process, so it's mostly a matter of 37 timing that is taking place and the required comment period 38 39 Perez. And Mr Kenney then, I'm sorry, Mr Chairman Mr Kenney, so it's your 40 position that a six month delay would not be acceptable It messes up 41 timeline for development? 42 43 Kenney, It definitely has an impact on the plans that we're doing because if you 44 have 120 foot right-of-way going through that's now no longer there, it can 45 be a road that can be used for access to houses and whatever else, so it 46 does have a tremendous impact on what we're doing 13 1 2 Perez I guess the question was so you're in the middle of that right now, 1 3 understand what the impact would be, so you're in the middle and you're 4 in development right now so it would stop your planning process 5 6 Kenney- Right and it is an approved project with the arterial going through, but if it's 7 not going to be an arterial and that's the direction of the MPO then we'd 8 like to know so we can revise the plan 9 10 Perez Got it, thank you, Mr Chairman 11 12 Thomas Mr Chair, well my concern is about whether or not the MPO staff feels 13 that they have the time to do this, that's why I asked the question about 14 whether or not it was anticipated It sounds like at least two of these have 15 already been under considerable discussion and some have even already 16 been in the process of collecting public input so I'm not opposed to moving 17 it forward if the staff is okay with that. It's their burden 18 19 Cadena Alright, anyone else Can I entertain a motion 20 21 Archuleta Mr Chairman 22 23 Perez. Mr Chairman, can we hear from Mr Gallagher, please? 24 25 Gallagher- Mr Chair, Committee members, Mike Gallagher, NMDOT I lust want to 26 provide maybe a couple words of caution Right now the MPO staff and 27 the MPO is undertaking TRANSPORT 2040 and with that this area is 28 encompassed within VISION 2040 Basically, what you're doing with 29 allowing this, would be allowing staff to move quick on this component, 30 this component of the City of the MPO area without the TRANSPORT 31 2040 plan being completed The implementation of TRANSPORT 2040 is 32 supposed to be a new MTP plan, so while we're anticipating a new MTP 33 plan, this would allow staff to move forward with making significant 34 modifications to the existing MTP plan Meanwhile, what also you're 35 possibly setting a precedent, this month you have one developer asking to 36 make an amendment to the UPWP and then what would preclude a 37 developer next month asking the same thing, but in a different area of the 38 County or the MPO? So with that, my suggestion would be possibly to 39 wait until making this, working toward wait until you make this kind of 40 significant changes to the MTP until TRANSPORT 2040 is complete and 41 then follow the public process for the MTP 42 43 Cadena Alright, anyone else? 44 45 Perez. Mr Chairman, so when would the TRANSPORT 2040 be completed? 46 14 I Murphy- Mr Chairman, Commissioner Perez, our anticipated delivery date or drop 2 dead date is for June 2010 That's when we're required to have it updated 3 by federal law We have been well in the process of it as you are aware of 4 through committee briefs 5 6 Cadena I think we're all paid the big dollars of elected officials that sometimes 7 we've got to make these individual, in the interim we have to make these 8 individual type of decisions so if there's someone else that comes up, we 9 have to consider it. Seems like this warrants it and when it goes through 10 the process and there might be any changes allowed or not only that, I'm 11 sure we'll have the 2040 even if it's not totally complete accessible to us 12 and I don't think any of us here are going to or we may or may not want to 13 deviate from what that plan is I mean it's totally up to the Committee 14 15 Perez Mr Chairman, it's the same argument or same discussion that we have 16 with the VISION 2040 in the planning process and now with the 17 TRANSPORT 2040, if our planning process, our comprehensive plan is 18 chasing the tail of the dog, we're developing and then we're filling in the 19 plan with what we've already made decisions on then we're not planning 20 and I understand and I'm struggling with this because I'm a consultant too 21 and I understand what it means when somebody shuts down your 22 planning process for six months or a year, where you may end up with 23 another decision I mean I'm having a schizophrenic moment here of how 24 do you reconcile good planning and doing what we're trying to do with the 25 VISION 2040 and the TRANSPORT 2040 without completely coming to a 26 dead grinding halt on decisions that need to be made on the development 27 side and I think we have to be really careful because I agree with Mr 28 Gallagher, this sets a very dangerous precedent. Either we're doing the 29 planning process or we're not. We need to make a decision and if we're 30 going to fill in from our planning process, backfill with the decisions that 31 we've made throughout the whole thing, I think it weakens the planning 32 process and it makes it a harder decision I think than normal Thank you, 33 Mr Chairman 34 35 Cadena Yeah, it's a point well taken Whose district is this anyway? 36 37 Krahling My district and Gil Jones 38 39 Cadena Okay, I'm just curious I mean I'd think there would be some people in 40 favor of not having those (inaudible) going through that area I mean, 1 41 think you have to look at the individual proposal sometimes and deal with 42 what you have on the table now We can't hold things up for the, I don't 43 think, for any proposed plan or comp plan or anything else I'm not sure 44 it's even legal I mean if we're going to not do it, let's not do it, but I'm not 45 sure we can state that as a reason I'm not sure it's legal 46 15 I Thomas Well, I guess I see the VISION 2040 and TRANSPORT 2040 as sort of 2 broader strokes, not dealing with details so much and we're so far behind 3 on those On the VISION 2040 1 dust don't know how long it's going to 4 take before any of that stuff gets in place and we're having at least in the 5 City, we're having all the time to make decisions that we can't wait for 6 VISION 2040, it happens every week I guess I feel like this is not that 7 major a change in it and the suggestions all make sense and anyway 8 we're not saying that we're approving these changes We're just saying 9 that we're willing to look at them 10 11 Cadena Yeah, that's what I've got to make clear at the end, there may not be any 12 changes All we're saying is that are we going to allow it to go through 13 process, that's what we're saying 14 15 Archuleta Mr Chairman, we have three options on page and I move for Option 1, 16 vote aye 17 18 Cadena Where are you Mayor ProTem? Okay, so your motion is to approve 19 20 Archuleta Resolution 09-15 21 22 Krahling Second 23 24 Cadena Any further discussion? Seeing none, can you call a vote? 25 26 Murphy- Commissioner Perez. 27 28 Perez. Aye 29 30 Murphy- Commissioner Krahling 31 32 Krahling Aye 33 34 Murphy- Commissioner Benavidez. 35 36 Benavidez. Aye 37 38 Murphy- Mayor ProTem Archuleta 39 40 Archuleta Yes 41 42 Murphy- Councillor Thomas 43 44 Thomas Yes 45 46 Murphy- Chair 16 t 1 2 Cadena Yes 3 4 63 Resolution 09-15 Resolution for the Texas/New Mexico/Colorado 5 "High Speed 21St Century Camino Real" Corridor 6 7 Tom Murphy gave a brief presentation 8 9 Cadena Well, can I entertain a motion? 10 11 Perez I move approval of the Resolution as stated 12 13 Krahling Second 14 15 Cadena It's been moved and seconded, any discussion by the Committee or 16 comments? I think we all stand in favor of it. Seeing none, anyone in the 17 public? Will you do a roll call on this? 18 19 Murphy- Commissioner Perez. 20 21 Perez. Aye 22 23 Murphy Commissioner Krahling 24 25 Krahling Aye 26 27 Murphy- Commissioner Benavidez. 28 29 Benavidez Aye 30 31 Murphy- Mayor ProTem Archuleta 32 33 Archuleta Yes 34 35 Murphy Councillor Thomas 36 37 Thomas Yes 38 39 Murphy Chair 40 41 Cadena Yes 42 43 44 45 46 17 1 64 Letter supporting the Complete Streets Act of 2009 2 3 Andy Hume gave a brief presentation 4 5 Cadena Is there a consensus first of all to support the letter? Is anyone in 6 disagreement? I don't see any Is there a suggestion of how we want to 7 sign this letter? 8 9 Krahling Mr Chair, I suggest we pass it as is, track down the people, get everybody 10 to sign it. 11 12 Cadena Anybody disagree? Okay, thank you Andy Thanks for your hard work on 13 this whole complete streets deal 14 15 Hume You're very welcome sir Do we want to do a roll call or is consensus 16 good for the approval 17 18 Cadena Do you want us to vote on it? It's up to you guys Okay, let's vote Let 19 me entertain a motion and second 20 21 Benavidez. Second 22 23 Cadena Alright, all in favor? I don't think we need a roll call, all in favor? 24 25 Committee All —AYE 26 27 Motion passes 6-0 28 29 65 Letter supporting the establishment of a Pat Garrett Historical Site 30 31 Tom Murphy gave a brief presentation 32 33 Cadena Alright, is there any discussion on this item 34 35 Krahling I move approval 36 37 Archuleta [ second 38 39 Cadena Any discussion? All in favor of this item 40 41 Committee All —AYE 42 43 Cadena Motion does pass (6-0) 44 45 46 18 1 7 DISCUSSION ITEMS 2 3 7 1 Transportation Improvement Program Policies — Amendments vs 4 Administrative modifications 5 6 Andy Hume gave a brief presentation 7 8 Cadena Questions? Councillor Thomas 9 10 Thomas Thank you, Mr Chair Thank you, Andy I didn't have any problems with 11 the amendments, that seemed all very clear The administrative 12 modifications and you know, my word smithing, sorry There are a couple 13 that called for minor changes and sometimes you say what a minor 14 change is, but sometimes it doesn't say, so I guess I dust would suggest 15 that when it's possible, to be specific so we know what minor means Like 16 the one that says by no more than a half mile Any place that it's possible 17 to put in those delineations I would suggest that you try to do that, so 18 there's no question about what's minor, little vague 19 20 Hume Just for clarification, I appreciate that, Mr Chair and Councillor Thomas 1 21 believe you're referring to the third bullet there on the list where it says 22 simply minor changes to the scope of a project. So you would suggest 23 adding an example of what a minor scope change might be 24 25 Thomas Right. 26 27 Cadena Alright, anyone else? 28 29 Perez: There are a couple of other places later On the third paragraph on the 30 bottom has some, uses the word minor again I Just noticed it got 31 scattered through here in several places Just would suggest that you 32 take a look at those places 33 34 Hume Okay 35 36 Cadena Very good, thank you Andy 37 38 72 Coordinated Mobility Action Plan (CMAP) update 39 40 Caeri Thomas gave a brief presentation 41 42 Paola Banuelos gave a brief presentation 43 44 Archuleta Very good, Paola, you did good 45 46 Cadena Thank you Caeri Questions for Caeri, comments? 19 t 1 2 Thomas I have a question Who does the report get supported, we're required to 3 do this kind of plan, so then who does it get submitted to? 4 5 C Thomas After approval by the Policy Committee, this goes through the State to the 6 federal so it's one of our official MPO documents 7 8 Thomas And the steering committee people then do they, is this a group of 9 agencies that work together on other areas or was this the first time this 10 particular group was brought together? 11 12 C Thomas There is a group that's the Interagency Council that has monthly meetings 13 and talks about human services, but these people coming together to talk 14 about transportation services is not something that's happened before 15 16 Thomas Okay and the idea here is that then they would find ways working together 17 to provide transportation for their clients that they don't currently have 18 19 C Thomas In a more a efficient way so that if a couple of different agencies are going 20 to the same place, they can coordinate that trip together, they can cut 21 down on their cost. 22 23 Thomas And they could also go together to apply for grants and this document 24 would then allow them to do that. 25 26 C Thomas They could pool monies for a local match and receive funds that way 27 28 Thomas Okay, thank you 29 30 Cadena Very good, are these co-ops New Mexico State students? 31 32 C Thomas Yes, they are both seniors at New Mexico State University 33 34 Cadena Thanks for being here and thanks for all your help as well 35 36 73 Committee Training TIP database update 37 38 Cadena Today we're going to skip the training and we also do not have 39 development review 40 41 74 Staff Updates 42 43 7 4 1 Transport 2040 44 45 Tom Murphy gave a brief update Five of the six meeting dates have been set for the 46 second round of public involvement. 20 1 2 The pubic involvement dates are 3 4 September 28th, Town Hall of Mesilla, Mesilla, NM, 1-4 p m 5 October 1St, Dona Ana Community College, East Mesa Campus, 9 a m — 1 p m 6 October 6th, Del Cerro Community Center, Vado, NM, 5 p m — 8 p m 7 October 8th, Dona Ana Community Center, Dona Ana, NM, 5 p m — 8 p m 8 October 13th, DAC Government Complex, Commission Chambers, 1 p m — 5 p m 9 October 17, meeting place TBA (trying to get City Hall Council Chambers), 9 a m — 12 p m 10 11 Cadena Questions, comments 12 13 Archuleta Mr Chairman, I don't have a question, I have a comment I don't remember 14 the date the Top Teens are going to use the Council Chambers on a 15 Saturday; I think it's either Saturday or Sunday, so you might want to check 16 with Carolyn 17 18 Murphy Okay, we'll check with Carolyn 19 20 7 4.2 Joint Policy Board meeting between LCMPO and EPMPO 21 22 Tom Murphy gave a brief update 23 24 Archuleta Mr Chairman, if I may, it was a very productive meeting and we made 25 history I mean I'm very glad that we were there and disappointed that the 26 rest of you couldn't share that with us, but hopefully the next time you'll be 27 able to It was a very good meeting 28 29 Cadena I agree and we agreed to do it once a year, so I'm sure that the rest of you 30 can be there at the next one We're going to host it down here and 31 actually they fed us a very, they treated us well, fed us, so we're going to 32 have to do something some where 33 34 Murphy- We'll go for a longer lead time so you can make doing your schedules 35 easier 36 37 7.4 3 Letter of support of 110-825 Interchange TIGER grant 38 application 39 40 Tom Murphy gave a brief update 41 42 43 44 45 46 21 1 7 4 4 Harper Road Public Involvement 2 3 Andy Hume gave a brief update 4 5 Perez Mr Chairman, I'd just like to thank them for facilitating that. That was 6 something we needed kind of broader help in vision with and that will be 7 really helpful Thank you so much 8 9 7 4 5 NMDOT news and update — No updates 10 11 7 4 6 Development Review — No development review for this meeting 12 13 8 COMMITTEE AND STAFF COMMENTS 14 15 Councillor Thomas announced that the City of Las Cruces took some resolutions to the 16 New Mexico Municipal League last week One of the resolutions had to do with energy 17 investment districts, but that doesn't pertain to us One had to do with asking the NMML 18 to kind of monitor what's going in Washington, D C in terms of the new Federal 19 Transportation Act and the possibility that if they decide to exclude all cities under 20 1,000,000, New Mexico wouldn't have any left, so that passed She stated that a 21 resolution was brought forward asking for extension of the rail runner from Belen to Las 22 Cruces and on to EI Paso, that did not pass originally in the Resolution Committee 23 Espanola and Taos had a resolution asking that the rail runner be, not only asked for a 24 study but they asked that it be studied, planned, constructed, maintained and operated 25 from Santa Fe to Espanola and Taos That one passed in the Resolutions Committee 26 by two votes only The next day at the business meeting we had an opportunity to bring 27 our resolution forward again and so we rewrote it and in the meantime at that meeting 28 the representative from and thanks to Mayor Cadena for signing and voting and all of 29 his help and but as it turned out the representative from Roswell pulled the 30 Taos/Espanola resolution off of the agenda and asked at the business meeting that they 31 discuss that one separately They amended it to read that they would ask the DOT and 32 the legislature to conduct a study to determine where the rail runner should go next. So 33 that's how it ended up 34 35 Cadena Yeah, it got a little political there between the north and the south, but 1 36 think the end result was the best. Let them do the study and determine 37 where the railroad needs to go and I appreciate Councillor Thomas' and 38 everyone else's efforts to get that resolution on there 39 40 Thomas We had quite a flurry of rewriting Are we going to say anything about the 41 September 30th possible meeting that Congressman Teague's office has 42 been working on? 43 44 45 46 22 I Murphy I'll try and dump in Councillor Small from the City has been in contact with 2 Peter Embler from Congressman Teague's office and what their trying to 3 do is orchestrate some sort of work session to discuss funding of rail 4 opportunities They've been able to enlist the technical assistance from a 5 woman out of the DOT in Fort Worth, who is an expert on rail matters 1 6 believe she is available to come to this area on September 30th 7 Councillor Thomas and I are scheduled to be on a conference call to iron 8 out details of that tomorrow, if we've got the email since we've been here 9 10 Cadena I would dust suggest that if that comes to be that you just communicate 11 with everyone on this Committee in case they wish to attend Anyone 12 else? 13 14 Perez Mr Chairman, dust something real quick I wanted to thank, staff has been 15 delivering my packet to my office, but I wanted to worn you that I'm 16 moving my office at the end of the month over to University and I don't 17 expect you to take it all the way over here Deliver it to Dona Ana County 18 with everybody else and I'll make a point of coming here and collecting it, 19 but that's been a very nice treat and thank you very, very much 20 21 Murphy- That's Andrew, whose been responsible so 22 23 Perez I'm looking at him in the back and thank you 24 25 9 PUBLIC COMMENT — None 26 27 Benavidez. Mr Chair, can I say something, I forgot. I'm really sorry that I missed the 28 meeting with the EI Paso MPO, so when are we going to have, are we 29 planning to have another meeting with them in the near future? 30 31 Cadena Probably sometime next summer It's very understandable, I think 32 everyone on this Committee has several other committees and we're not 33 going to make everything We'll certainly accommodate you at the next 34 meeting for sure 35 36 Benavidez. Thank you and I would like to, well of course, if we're going to host a 37 meeting here, is that like before next summer or when will be next year 38 39 Murphy- We've not even discussed dates If this Committee wanted to set a date, 40 staff would be happy to work with that. 41 42 Cadena I think if you're offering this building, I think that would be appropriate as 43 far as 44 45 Benavidez. Oh yeah, definitely, we can accommodate this building 46 23 f I Perez Doesn't the City have a nice brand new, beautiful building that they're 2 going to want to show off I don't know We'll have to flip for it. 4 10 ADJOURNMENT 5 6 Cadena Can we adjourn, I'll entertain a motion 7 8 Archuleta Move to adjourn 9 10 Perez So moved 11 12 Meeting adjourned at 6 18 p m 13 14 15 Y 16 Chair 17 18 19 24