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02-17-1999Agenda/Draft roJ. 1 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE (DRC) MEETING 2 February 17, 1999 3 City Planning Department Conference Room 4 5 Following are the summary minutes from the Development Review 6 Committee (DRC) meeting on Wednesday, February 17, 1999, in the 7 City Planning Department Conference Room, 575 S . Alameda Blvd. , 8 Las Cruces, New Mexico. 9 10 Members Present : Mike Johnson (Traffic Operations),Jc2 11 ince Sanchez (JU)e 12 Jorge Garcia (JU) 13 Tony Aguirre (JU)t 14 Critt Coburn (Fire) 15 16 Staff Present : rian Denm k (PLNG) 17 Robert 18 Dan Soriano (PLNG) 19 20 Others Present : David Blanchard 21 Dan Lilley 22 Robert Rodriguez 23 Rollie Wright C CO3A^n 24 25 Members Absent : Jim Ericson (DSD) 26 Robert Garza (DSD-ENG) iL�%��1 27 28 29 I. CALL TO ORDER 30 31 Denmark called the meeting to order at 9 : 05 AM. 32 33 II. CASE INTRODUCTION 34 35 1. Valley View and Harrion property. 36 37 Question of whether Valley View Road is dedicated. 38 39 Lilley: - concern is if it did get dedicated: it cuts through 2 40 lots and creates an unusable portion, splitting one lot into two 41 pieces, basically you have unusable lots . 42 - eventually he wants to cut off a little triangle and 43 have 4 usable pieces . 44 - cut 1% acres into 4 lots 45 46 Kyle : - Two dwelling units on one lot violates the zoning code. 47 48 * Lilley: - People living there want to have the option of 49 buying the property, rather than leasing it or renting it . 50 - M acre lot 51 - These people are doing this mobile home subdivision. 52 - Big question/concern: He does not want to have to do 53 a drainage report for this split we' re not really doing any 54 grading, or any additional, we' re not adding any except for one 55 building. Maybe a small cover letter sheet describing what the 56 ponding requirements should be for each lot . But the master 57 drainage report and then the final drainage study are require- 58 ments of this type of subdivision. He is requesting that, why 1 I not just utilize the existing drainage he did for this whole 2 property down here and resize or size the ponds for these 3 individual lots . 4 - The rest of that, I mean, the improvements are there, 5 he would dedicate in the process whether it has been or not, he 6 would verify this and dedicate Valley View all the way through. 7 Also, he' d dedicate his portion of Hoffman Drive, which is not 8 improved. He would request, he' s not impacting Hoffman Drive in 9 any way shape or form. These people use it, existing 10 11 Denmark: My concern: assuming this is out of scale, is making 12 sure the lot lines [inaudible] is making sure they perform. The 13 question is do they or don' t they. 14 15 Kyle: I told Dan that if and when he comes forward with a 16 subdivision, I want an improvement survey. 17 18 Denmark: and this fourth lot is real important . 19 20 . . . 21 22 ** Kyle : The fact that it does basically exist like that out in 23 the field, with the exception of the creation of this little 24 triangle lot, would the committee be favorable to waiving the 25 preliminary plat requirements in their entirety and just going 26 straight to a final? . . . 27 28 . . . 29 30 Lilley: - We' ll conform to all the lot and zoning requirements . 31 32 - That' s something that he wants to do as well . He 33 doesn' t want to have to move the trailer and he wants to go 7 34 foot over and have the right setbacks . 35 36 . . . 37 38 Lilley: - I need to tell him this is what you' re going to have 39 to do to get your subdivision. ' 40 - Hoffman has water. Don' t know if they've done gas. 41 They all started out with propane . . . . 42 - I understand that the east lot will all have to have 43 their own service lines and located appropriately. 44 45 . . . 46 47 Denmark: Condition on the final plat, something that' s acceptable 48 to Dan. 49 50 . . . 51 52 Denmark: I don' t see any problem with that . It' s something, just 53 do staff review and [inaudible] DRC, unless some weird problem 54 comes up that requires- 55 56 Kyle : Let me clarify that we would be willing to waive the 57 preliminary plat process, we will be willing to waive 2 . t 1 improvements at Hoffman Drive and at the same time we don' t want 2 to dedicate it either. Unless he' s willing to pave it . 3 4 ** Denmark: I don' t we even want it unless they improve it 5 somehow. And it would probably be something we wouldn' t want to 6 accept unless all the property owners petitioned for it . 7 8 Lilley: Is that going to require a waiver? 9 10 Denmark: Technically, yeah. 11 12 Lilley: So you need [inaudible] . 13 14 . . . 15 16 Denmark: - The reason I have a concern, Dan, is we've already 17 had two or three variance requests for the new development where 18 they' re violating (?) . They' re placed incorrectly. 19 20 * Lilley: I' ll go talk to ? (Blas) and let him know. 21 Denmark: Okay. Thanks . `Bye . 22 23 2 . West Mesa Industrial Park 24 25 Kyle : - They have a 7-acre tract and they' re going to lease 26 the lot to [inaudible] 27 28 ? : It was leased last night . 29 30 Kyle : The septic tank leaches into this, or stuff over here 31 leaches into this, so that this may be an ugly piece of ground. 32 33 ? : There' s two septic tanks there. 34 .A `Fp►�C 35 So Joe is wanting to split this part and hold it in a 2 36 And if these guys eventually want to buy a fine, if not, it may 37 just remain open space or something. 38 One of the problems is the West Mesa plan is one acre 4-4 39 size. This comes in at 0 . 7 . So my advice, if the DRC concurs, 40 is to designate this as a 0 . 7-acre tract, call it some ? ? 41 (undevelop ?) Or whatever. And then if these guys ever do decide 42 to buy it, they can do it . 43 44 . . . 45 46 Denmark: West Mesa Industrial Review Committee was talking about 47 running an easement right here for their access ? . ? didn' t want 48 it in the right-of-way. 49 50 Kyle: I talked to Vince about it . He called me because he just 51 got done with meeting with Joe. 52 53 Denmark: They just met last week and they didn' t want it in the 54 right-of-way. They acted like the road will never be built for 55 many, many years, and why make them pave a driving aisle in the 56 *right-of-way, they can put an easement here. . . . Just check 57 with Joe on that . 58 3 2 3 * Kyle : DRC is all right with us calling that a tract and going 4 forward? I just want to run it past you guys before I pass 5 judgment . 6 7 Johnson: ? you submit an accurate survey plat . 000 with 90 8 degree bearings . That' s pretty good. 9 10 . . . 11 12 3 . McGuffy Road Subdivision 13 14 Denmark: McGuffy Road Subdivision, another preapplication. 15 16 Blanchard: McGuffy Road, Ranchers Club Subdivision. . . . Sewage 17 comes from Ranchers Club along through a drainage easement . 18 Which I would assume we' d have to revise the plat accordingly to 19 reflect the fact there' s a sewage and drainage easement now. 20 This access to the sewage is through Ranchers Club. It' s the 21 only access . QAaC 22 Zoning is ?-'(highway) city conditional, 3 lots per acre . . . 23 It' s about 4 . 03 acres, so it' s a 12-lot subdivision by the 24 limitations of the zoning. 25 There' s an existing home here and an existing home here 26 which [inaudible] Papen Lane, which is a 30-foot easement at the 27 moment, 15 feet each side of the property lines . And this one 28 faces on the property. Papen Lane has gas and Moongate 29 water. 30 What we' d like to do is put in a cul-de-sac here which 31 seats, it' s probably 124 feet from the section line, McGuffey is 32 west of the section line, so we' d probably be looking at a small 33 variance for the length depending on when we tie to the center of 34 McGuffy how much this number will change . 35 We prefer to put the drainage in a pond instead of on-lot 36 ponding and we prefer to give the pond to the city, actually so 37 we can get rid of it, but also the sewer line is coming up 38 through it, so it kind of makes sense to on ? (lot) , to do that 39 if we can. 40 . . . 41 This is the area that was just recently zoned. . 42 43 Denmark: Let' s discuss utilities . 44 45 Blanchard: Moongate has a 4 inch coming down here . The city 46 will have a 12 inch coming up here. . . . 47 48 Denmark: Any problem with the sewer line being underneath the 49 pond? 50 51 ? : That' s a construction issue . 52 53 Blanchard: What we had discussed is if it' s deep, length is 54 good. If it' s not deep, we' ll have to continue [inaudible] . 55 56 Denmark: Why would we want an easement here and a road here with 57 the potential of this is ? ? (going to try to) get dumped on the 58 City at some future date . 4 1 Blanchard: This is an existing easement now. It' s a dirt road. 2 3 Kyle : Those were my issues is : Do we want right-of-way, and do 4 they need to improve it? 5 6 Blanchard: It' s serves basically 4 lots . 7 8 Denmark: But can they further subdivide based on the building? 9 10 Blanchard: Yes, they should be able to. 11 12 Denmark: Then the question is, are we going to get stuck with 13 another request to dedicate this? Do we really want that? 14 15 Blanchard: We'd love to try to utilize this, but when we do that, 16 you've got lots of 60 feet by 300, 250, 280 feet . It doesn' t 17 make for good lots . 18 If we had a ? (charge) , we would leave this as the 19 [inaudible] . Do this right . . . . 20 Right now, this is an easement . 15 feet on this lot, 15 21 feet here, 15 feet here. So it' s not, we don' t have control over 22 it . 23 24 Denmark: Basically on you drawing, there' s nothing here or here . 25 26 Blanchard: Vacant land. 27 28 It' s a pretty well used dirt road, isn' t it? 29 30 . . . 31 32 Denmark: We deal with future property owners . That' s the problem 33 I see. Whether they' re going to want to put a rock wall or 34 something in there . They might say, `Why the heck did you allow 35 an easement to be put there when [inaudible] . ' 36 37 Blanchard: All these easements exist . 38 39 Denmark: I understand that . This is a problem we might have in 40 the future. 41 42 Blanchard: I would feel uncomfortable dedicating this . It' s only 43 leaving 15 feet [inaudible] . I would feel much more comfortable 44 ? Plat, put an easement here and something that says : `This is a 45 road easement . You can' t build in this . , And people are going 46 to want to put a rock walls . . . 47 48 Denmark: Well I'm uncomfortable with these people coming back to 49 us and saying: ` I've got dirt and dust blowing into my yard. Do 50 something about it, City. ' And then we go out there and have to 51 pave it and double-pi-rt- it or something like that . 52 01A 53 . . . 54 55 Rodriguez : I'm the owner of this lot and my brother owns this lot 56 and they both face north. And I've got rock walls around mine 57 and he' s got rock walls around his . So this 30-foot easement on 5 1 this side already has rock walls on both sides . Just on my side, 2 yes . All this land is owned by my in-laws . 3 4 Blanchard: If dust is the issue, there' s a couple ways around it . 5 One would be just to double-pi&�this to here. We' ll still be 6 left over with 30 feet; but if it' s double-pnned [inaudible] 7 won' t have to move any utilities . 8 The other alternative is to obviously hold our feet to the 9 fire and push a standard city road out here . But then we'd have 10 to relocate these utilities and ? these houses . . . . I don' t 11 think there' s much of a point in doing much in here ? except this 12 guy. 13 14 Denmark: I think if you went with that scenario, I'd rather see 15 the easement reduced a little bit . It' s treated almost like an 16 alley [inaudible] surface somehow the water' s ? dust problem. So 17 they'd still have access . 18 19 . . . 20 21 Denmark: Well we just don' t have that information, concerning 22 that . . . . What' s the width of this dirt road right now? 23 24 Rodriguez : 32, 33 feet . 25 26 Denmark: But you only have a 30-foot easement . So you've got 27 natural road that' s wider than an easement . 28 29 ? : It' s not a real road. It' s a bridge you drive on. 30 31 Denmark: But you've got 32-foot wide of dirt and you say you' re 32 only willing to double-pin 24 . What are you doing with the rest? 33 34 Blanchard: Leave it for shoulders and for . . . 24 feet works fine 35 for roads in the county. . . maximum of ten lots . . . 36 But this is a 24-foot wide road. My guess is its probably all 37 McGuffy is at the moment . I think that' s a feasible road. But 38 I'd rather have . . . I would feel uncomfortable making an easement 39 tight to the road . . . people are going to put their walls on an 40 easement, so if you [inaudible] say, 3 feet back, [inaudible] . 41 42 * Denmark: So you' re willing to double-pin, put ? (swel- 14) in 43 there, leave the easement . . . 44 45 Blanchard: ? ? . There is not really any run-off coming. We' ll 46 take care of all those coming this way. 47 4 48 Denmark: But you' re going to have some water, right? 49 50 Blanchard: We' ll dump it off onto the side and probably just 51 leave it there. . . . It drops gradually but it' s not steep. 52 53 . . . 54 55 Kyle: Is there any point . . . Once this property receives its 56 access, that we could vacate the easement so there' s not a little 57 easement stubbed out to the back of this lot? It isn' t that big 6 1 of a deal, but it' s not going anywhere, so it doesn' t need to be 2 there. 3 4 Blanchard: Personally, I agree with you. If we can get this 5 person to sign . . . 6 7 Denmark: I don' t know, Dave . I'm a little uncomfortable with 8 that . Guess I' ll need to think about it . 9 * Drainagewise, what do you want to do about that? 10 11 * Soriano: I think that' s more of a maintenance issue . You might 12 run this by Paul Dugie and see what he has to say, what comments 13 he might have . He' s basically in charge of all the maintenance 14 efforts when it comes to drainage ponds . I see that more of a l5 maintenance issue than anything else . 16 17 . . . 18 19 Blanchard: From a practical standpoint, we could do no drainage, 20 and just get our water to here in a ditch, and then get some 21 other ditch here and cross the road and put some other ditch 22 [inaudible] . . . 23 24 Denmark: What about this subdivision? What were the requirements 25 for this? Because you worked on this . Do you recall? 26 27 Blanchard: We handled the drainage coming upstream [inaudible] . 28 29 Denmark: You did the engineering for this, as well as the 30 drainage requirements that were part of the approval . 31 32 33 Blanchard: On-lot ponding with several good-sized ditches passing 34 all the way through, and then coming up the edge of Sandhill, we 35 dedicated some dead land to the City where the Sandhill Road. 36 37 * Denmark: I agree with Dan. I doubt Engineering would want 38 that . . . We' re going to maintain it, I mean, it' s out of the way. 39 40 Blanchard: I don' t see any reason from a practical standpoint, 41 either. I don' t know if you guys are going to . . . 42 43 Denmark: You' re a third of an acre, right? 44 45 Blanchard: Uh huh. 46 47 Denmark: Well so the water' s going to stay there, because it' s 48 pretty flat . 49 50 Blanchard: In my mind, if you've got the land, which we do, just 51 by ? (realtor, 126) of the constraints on how many lots we can 52 get . If you put in a central vacility, you've ? up, you've got 53 honors to do anything you want to . . . 54 55 . . . 56 7 1 * Soriano: I' d say run it to Dugie to see what he has to say 2 about it, because he' s really the one who has appreciation for 3 these sorts of things . 4 5 Denmark: That might be the solution then, is create an easement 6 as part of ? (Y87) . But I guess if that happens, it gets back to 7 Utilities, how does it affects your sewer line . 8 9 Aguirre : You' ll just have to encase it . 10 11 * Denmark: Do you want to make sure it' s split at the property 12 line? Or does it matter? 13 14 * Blanchard: He' d probably try to put it in here and give him 15 enough easement so he can get in and work on it, and not encase 16 it . He didn' t have the space to encase it . 17 18 * Fire issue 19 20 Denmark: The fire flow issue? 21 22 Aguirre : There' s a new 12-inch water line going in on McGuffy as 23 we speak now. 24 25 Denmark: What' s your proposal on McGuffy? 26 27 [Inaudible] 28 29 Kyle : About 16 . It' s 24 for a double-pin, I think, isn' t it? 30 31 Denmark: How far up? 32 33 Kyle : All the way to Ranchers Club. 34 35 Blanchard: Ranchers Club is picking it up. They even stopped 36 some place about in here and it' s called the Rancher' s Club. 37 They've taken it all the way to double-pin. 38 39 Kyle: The deal was cut during Ranchers Club with John Z'ocT that 40 he would double-pin it down to 70 and we would . . . 24-foot 41 double-pin ? ? full standard. 42 43 Blanchard: After that agreement played out with Ranchers Club 44 picks it up . . . while they' re putting in the water and the gas . . . 45 46 Kyle : It' s a full standard. 47 48 Blanchard: Now you got a letter ? (credit, right) ? . . . ? ? (Gus 49 Fall) got a credit contract signed. 50 51 * Denmark: So in lieu of your responsibility here, you' re willing 52 to improve that . 53 54 Kyle: Is there a way, without dedicating this to the City, to 55 make that property line, as opposed to the property line being 56 here and us expecting people walls to go there? And then being 57 reponsible to maintain dirt? Is there not . . . ? Their walls 8 1 going to go there . . . They' re going to have 50 feet of nothing 2 that they don' t do anything with. 3 4 Blanchard: What I might do too, since we' re tight on space, 5 [inaudible] . . . . take the water down to ? the street . . . 6 7 * Denmark: Why don' t you turn in a proposal? And we' ll look at 8 it . 9 10 Blanchard: I guess what we need to know, before we start spending 11 too much money, is the direction that we can go. 12 13 Denmark: Well I' d rather see it paved. I can see, through 14 experience in dealing with this, I can see us having to address 15 it- 16 17 ? : Yeah, double-pin it . (Affirming Denmark' s statement . ) 18 19 * Denmark: Yeah, double-pin it . And how is it going to drain? 20 And do we need the 30 feet of easement? You know, just that 21 whole issue . Because the wall will be an issue, too, if we don' t 22 pave it . And they' ll put the walls right on the property lines 23 and then these people are now complaining because of the zoning 24 here. 25 26 . . . 27 28 Kyle: Yeah, I guess if it' s paved, because then the people have 29 more . . . they assume that it' s not theirs . But if it is, then 30 they' re going to call the City and say, `This paved road back 31 here,has potholes . ' And we' ll say, ` I' s private [inaudible] . ' 32 And call the manager and the counAllor and Johnson will end 33 up fixing the street ! That' s the way it works ! . . . 34 I just think that' s an issue that needs to be taken care of 35 somehow because we get a lot of it . 36 37 Denmark: I think it' s reasonable, Dave, just to hold on 38 [inaudible] overlooking some specifics of it . And then, if you 39 looking at specifics of it . And then, if you need to, you can 40 come back here before you get too hot and heavy, and make sure 41 we've got this issue resolved as well . 42 Plus, I'm a little concerned that Jim is not here, because 43 he' ll be the one that will get the call . 44 45 Blanchard: The distance between these two streets is 135 feet . 46 And we would also- 47 48 Denmark: Why don' t they treat that as a street? 49 50 Blanchard: There' s problems getting the sewer to this property. 51 The goal is to get it there quickly before Ranchers Club builds 52 something . . . 53 54 Denmark: That' s not an issue . That' s a utility permit . 55 56 Blanchard: . . . is aware of this . We would have to revise our 57 construction plans as part of Ranchers Club to get it to the 58 property line, then pick it up here on these construction plans . 9 1 Denmark: [Inaudible] separate utility permit and Utilities sign 2 off on it, or go through this [inaudible] . It doesn' t matter . . . 3 4 * Kyle : . . . Get your owner of Ranchers Club to file that easement 5 and just make sure I get copies of it, as opposed to actually 6 going in and amending the plat and showing this as a plat . . . . 7 Just make sure I get a copy of it so I can put it in the file for 8 Ranchers Club. I'd rather do that than going through and getting 9 a new plat signed . . . treat it that way. Just make sure I get 10 copies of it . 11 12 Denmark: Other issues? 13 14 Rodriguez : [Inaudible] . But you require 15 foot ! 15 16 Denmark: (In respose to Rodriguez) It' s a lot easier if you all 17 try to work together. 18 19 Rodriguez : We tried! 20 When we tried, there was an issue right here because we 21 needed a 50-foot utility easement of roadway to hook up the sewer 22 system. And these . . . (describes neighbors' demands) . But we've 23 got rock walls on both sides . Who' s going to pay for the 24 expense? 25 26 Blanchard: Well, one constraint on ? (236) will be, once this is 27 done, they will not have easy access to sewer. 28 29 Denmark: Nope. 30 31 Blanchard: Want to look at another one? 32 33 one more item: 34 35 Blanchard: On the East Mesa, Cortez Road. Up this road, he' s got 36 about 3 acres facing Cortez, 199 by 660 . Wayne Carpenter is the 37 man. . . . About 2 % years ago, ? ? (Ted Scanlon) did the 38 subdivision with some of his property right here . 39 What he wants to do: he' s got a mobile home here some place 40 and he has a house under construction here, a drive in and he 41 says he' s got everything ? (258) like it' s supposed to be 42 [inaudible] . . . 43 44 Denmark: How? 45 46 Kyle : We had talked to, I don' t know what Dave ultimately did on 47 it, but he did talk . . . called me and wanted to do the permit . I 48 don't remember everything that was discussed. It was like, `You 49 can come in and pull a permit, but it would be conditioned that 50 you get a subdivision. ' Because you' re allowed to keep a mobile 51 home on a lot while you' re building a home pursuant to the zoning 52 code. You've got like 180 days . So I said, `Something needs to 53 occur during that 180 days that you could apply [inaudible] to 54 comply with those standards, requirements to subdivide . We' re 55 moving forward under the auspices of the zoning code, that you 56 can have- 57 10 1 Denmark: Are we assuming that he' s going to remove the mobile 2 home? 3 . 4 Kyle : Well that' s why he subdivided. He said, `Yeah, I want to 5 get going on my house now `cause I've got materials sitting out 6 there rotting. I'm going to subdivide . ' It' s like, `Well, 7 you' re going to subdivide before you get a CO for the house . ' 8 9 . . . 10 11 Blanchard: He wanted us to get 3 lots . Three quarter lots here . 12 And then whatever the remainder is here . 13 14 Denmark: What' s that ? (282) 15 16 Blanchard: A three-quarter acre. That' s net . 17 18 . . . 19 20 Blanchard: So he' s got REM zoning, and he' s got 199 feet, so he'd 21 be looking for ? (nickle-dime) variances for frontage on 22 these two. 23 24 Kyle : Where does this fit with this original one? 25 Oh, so the adjacent part is this? 26 27 Blanchard: Yeah. 28 % 29 Kyle : We granted him bookoo?Uuaigh res) when we gave him this 30 one, so it was part of that . 31 32 Denmark: But that was because it was all preexisting. This 33 isn' t . This is new development . So he should be flipping his 34 bill for this one. 35 36 Kyle : 60 feet . It' s 130 feet right-of-way that' s ? nabore out 37 there. . . 38 39 Blanchard: Cortez is on- 40 41 Kyle : Right now it' s an arteril�. I don' t think we' d be 42 classifiying it yet . 43 44 Denmark: Not yet . 45 a' 46 Blanchard: Is it going to remain an arterie3-e? 47 48 Denmark: Might not . 49 50 Kyle : But it is now. 51 52 Blanchard: So obviously you' d have to put the right-of-way. 53 Right now, Cortez is 30 feet of double p . ? (Grooms, 309) , 54 there' s nothing. Pcn 55 56 Denmark: So, technically he owes us almost 200 feet of a minor 57 local street . 58 11 I Blanchard: As long as it doesn' t, wouldn' t, from the engineering 2 standpoint, before you get into the ? ? ? (phase ? Rock) . I'm 3 assuming that we would not change any design on Cortez or try to 4 tear it up to put in something different than what was ? (slated, 5 316) . 6 7 Kyle : Not if you pay us . 8 9 Blanchard: Do you think 200 feet of a minor local would bring it 10 half here and half here, Brian? 11 12 Denmark: Technically, that' s for the POs . 13 14 * Kyle : Right now, this is plus to what' s obviously going on, 15 you' re proposing to come in with a 3-lot split? 16 17 Blanchard: He won' t get 3/4 (three quarters) of acre when he' s 18 done . 19 20 Kyle : That' s on platted land, too, so it' s . . . 21 22 Blanchard: I didn' t check the arithmetic; I took him at his word. 23 But he will not get . . . this is less than 8 M now, counting the 24 road, so separate things won' t get into [inaudible] . . . 25 26 Denmark: Today? 27 28 Blanchard: Yep! Or for ? ? (335) on separate things. 29- 30 Denmark: No, they've been kicking around, changing that 31 requirement a little bit . . . 32 33 . . . 34 35 36 37 Denmark: Well I think there' s a big difference, though, between 38 that one and this one . 39 40 Kyle : Well, right, it was . . . appear that it' s not even the same. 41 42 Blanchard: All I know is they ? ? (349) subdivide that one . 43 44 Kyle : Okay. 45 46 Denmark: Well, that' s what it is for the road improvement ! 47 Utilities? What about utilities? 48 49 Utilities 50 51 Agurrie: It' s Jornada water. There' s no city sewer yet, either. 52 53 Blanchard: What issue was ? ? for the Jornada water [inaudible] ? 54 55 ? : He' s got a plat . 56 57 . . . 58 12 1 Aguirre : There' s a 8-inch water line on Cortez . 2 f 3 Coburn: Yeah, but I don' t think there' s a double pin. 4 5 Aguirre : We needed fire flow for that mobile home park. That' s 6 what he proved out to be . 7 8 . . . 9 10 * Denmark: It something to check. 11 a� 12 Kyle : Do we want a major arter- , or minor arteries right-of-way? 13 we did require it on this one . 14 15 Denmark: What would you, a setback or an easement? 16 17 Kyle : Well, we kind of let him off the hook because of existing 18 conditions . What did you end up with? They dedicated 30 feet, 19 so we have like 70 . . . he dedicated 30 feet . 20 21 Denmark: On top of the 25? 22 23 Kyle : It' s 70 here, but it knocks down. We only required him to 24 give us 30 off the center lines, so that' s 60 feet total . 25 Part of that was because they have a house here and there' s 26 a well site here and if we took what we needed, we' d be buying 27 homes and everything else . 28 29 . . . 30 31 Denmark: Should have been taking at least collector, though. It 32 might be down classified to collectors, but . . . 33 34 Kyle: Well, like I said, we did it on that one for a specific 35 purpose . 36 37 Blanchard: So, since he' s not probably going to put in a minor 38 road . . . How do you figure the cost of a minor road? Do we get 39 with Engineering to see what it would cost us? 40 41 Kyle : About $70 . . . 42 43 ? : Carson' s got some ? ? (cost estimates, 396) 44 45 Kyle: I know Utilities is at $70, $75 for a full section. 46 47 The following did not get recorded on the tape (end of side 48 1/beginning of side 2) . Dan Soriano stated that Garza has costs 49 and something else . Then Blanchard said something about 50 needing a drainage study and Kyle then said something about 51 "paying in lieu. " These comments were noted as being important, 52 e .g. to go in the letter that is sent out . 53 54 Blanchard: So it looks like 199 feet of minor local, probably 55 money [inaudible] . 56 57 Denmark: Additional right-of-way or easement . We' d like to see 58 where you' re . . . 13 1 Kyle : Or a combination of both, maybe . 2 3 Denmark: Maybe . 4 5 Blanchard: Sewer. 6 7 Kyle : Because when you talked to me, it was just, ` I've got this 8 acreage . I wan to split out a lot for this home I'm building. ' 9 He didn' t tell me that they were ? (416) two or three lots . That 10 changes it a little . 11 12 Blanchard: [Inaudible] 13 Okay. Thank you, people ! 14 15 Minor things 16 17 Kyle : I've received . . . talked to Steve Salazar and I a couple 18 weeks ago . . . This is Jackson . . . And this has to do with a 19 utility issue . Off of Roadrunner and connecting to what will be 20 the extension of El Paseo de Onate, they had proposed a road to 21 come through here, cut through this guy' s property. He has since 22 said, ` I'm going to deal with you guys . You' re not cutting 23 across my property. ' So they' re having to shove that road down. 24 The issue is : Do we want them to just provide an easement at 25 this time, or go ahead and come in with dedicated right-of-way? 26 What happens when they do this is it creates a little 27 remnant parcel here, which they' re just going to call a tract 28 (it' s like 11 acres; it' s a tiny little thing. Put a sign or 29 something on it . ) It runs through this lot, it creates another 30 tract here, and then that' s already ? the last thing. 31 Do we want them to come through with that now, or just 32 provide an easement at this point and do the right-of-way at a 33 later date? Take care of it administratively . . . ? 34 35 . . . 36 37 * Kyle : I guess the issue' s going to wheedle out, just to give us 38 the easement . . . . Well then, I' ll have them remove it here and 39 just identify it as an easement and ? take that back to P&Z 40 because it' s not [inaudible] 41 . . . I guess that was the issue . We called it a road 42 utility easement; with this platting, ? dedicate that road 43 easement improvement and we' ll just let them off the hook now- 44 45 Denmark: Yeah. _It' s their property. 46 a 47 Kyle: And ? (CU) them later. 48 Okay. That' s fine . 49 50 Meeting adjourned at 10 : 00 AM. 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 14 MT ( oo DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 17, 1999 The City of Las Cruces Development Review Committee will consider the following ,agenda at a meeting to be held Wednesday, February 17, 1999 at 9:00 a.m. in the City Tanning Department Conference Room (Rm. 111) of the City Office Center, 575 S. Alameda Blvd., Las Cruces, NM. CALL TO ORDER I. CASE INTRODUCTION 1. Valley View and Harrison property. (Dan Lilley) 2. West Mesa Industrial Park. (CLC) 3. McGuffy Road Subdivision (pre-app) (Dave Blanchard) II. OTHER ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION V. OTHER CASES/ISSUES MAY BE DISCUSSED THAT HAVE NOT BEEN LISTED ON THIS AGENDA (AS NEEDED) J. 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