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11/04/1997 t QMQA aQo ( QUoo o AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING City of Las Cruces,New Mexico November 4, 1997 Members Present: Stephanie Medoff,Gene Kennon,Bill Madden,Jim Boykin,Frank Dailey,Chuck McLean Members Absent: Charles Trego Others Present: Ted A.Morris,Jr.,Airport/Industrial Park Manager;Jim Ericson,Development Services Director; Henry Gustafson,City Councillor;Dave Church,Rio Grande Soaring Association;Marty Ditmore, hangar owner;Edward Lindsay,West Mesa Flying Association;Jack Rosenow,Aviation Day Committee Chairman;Hal Kading, Southwest Aviation;Vernon Wilson,Crosswinds Grill;Bob Reich,airport tenant;Earl Comeyford,contractor; Susan Pfeiffer,Recording Secretary. Stephanie Medoff. Let us commence,we are to order. Chuck McLean: The background is,after the Aviation Day, Did everybody get a chance to read the minutes? before we did anything going forward,it was my suggestion at the last meeting that we get some public input to see what the Jim Boykin: I make a motion that we accept the minutes reaction was on the street. It was really a handcuffed gesture as written. on my part,because I had collected names of children who would like to participate in the Young Eagles program,and I Chuck McLean: Second. thought that would be a good cross reference. I contracted about 41 of them on the phone,and some twice because I was Stephanie Medoff. All those in favor? inviting them to bring their children out,and I got their impressions,and then when they came out here and we got Members Present: Aye. face to face we got more input. The other thing I did was talk to aviators,and pilots who I know,and who are around here Stephanie Medoff. Opposed? Thank you very much frequently. The public input came from parents and Susan. Let's save the discussion of how we should handle grandparents who had been here with their children,whom the minutes until we are through with the meeting,see how they had signed up for these flights,was universally favorable. the meeting goes,see if we want to have them verbatim. I don't think there was a negative in there. There was sort of Review of Aviation Day, let us begin. Let's try to keep an off-colored comment by a grandfather of one of the kids this as short as possible. I have two hours that I can really that didn't relate to a performance,other than that,they were give up,and then I have too much to deal with. Let's look generally pleased. The major...I should say what I asked at Chuck's survey—citizen's input,which I assume them,did you enjoy it,what were your reactions,what would everybody has looked over? you do to improve it? I would say that 99%favored it, enjoyed it,had a good time,and then the comments broke Jim Boykin: I would like to ask if Chuck would mind down to improvements. Probably the biggest thing was,more generalizing it. activity for children,can we do something about the weather, some shade,and I would conclude from that,that they were Chuck McLean: I did put a summary at the bottom, indicating if having it later was an option. I said,yes it was an because I wasn't making recommendations,I was just option. So,it looks like those were the major things from the giving information. general public. The pilots were a little more biased in their opinions,and they have I think based on the fact that they Stephanie Medoff. Explain to the Councillor,and guests, have a broader bases of comparison than grandparents, what the survey is. children,and mothers of kids that responded to my survey. AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER P.O.Box 20000 LAS CRUCES,NEW MEXICO 88004-9002 Phone 505/541-2000 LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 2 of 20 They talked very little about the air show,but were more Stephanie Medoff. It does seem if it were held later in the concerned about the management,the upheaval it's year it would give the Committee longer to prepare. They creating in the aviation community. The people who had don't have to hit the ground running the day after this air not come back to the show,and had been here previously,I show,of course they would if we held it in late October of had only talked to six in that regard,they thought that they next year,they would have start working right away. But it had other things to do,and it was too hot and they didn't would certainly give more time this year. want to put the kids through it again. Generally,there was no real change in performance schedule and what not. Chuck McLean: I don't know if you can make a direct They were wrong in that,but then again I did not ask them comparison,but we flew 88 kids from T or C in the Young what year they had attended. That was about the survey, Eagle's program on the 23`d of October. very calm except for the pilots. Jim Boykin: What would be the latest date then,that all these Jim Boykin: How many pilots were there? things could be done? In mean if people are going to be going home,and there is obviously a late date that they don't want to Chuck McLean: Eight. Wait a minute,I can read that. I go to an air show after this. would say eight to ten to get these responses. Jack Rosenow: I would say mid October. Bill Madden: I noticed that all dislike PA effectiveness. Bill Madden: This brings up the question,do you really need Chuck McLean: I was just giving their personal professional air show people to put this on? You know it comments,not technical comments that they made. So,I started out basically as a totally free show done all with local would conclude from the public,that they would rather see volunteers,and it got according to the newspaper a it later,cooler,more action for kids,and have the PA fixed conservative estimate of 2,000 people. It had a 117 fly-by,F- so that people on the ends could hear it. Jim,I would say 4,and a couple of T-38 fly-bys,no military ground displays, that I spoke with at least eleven pilots,and that was a no professional paid air show,and nobody lost money. So,if summary of their responses. you are going to have to stay with a professional air show,that locks you into a date,but it could be moved to a later date. Stephanie Medoff. Thank you Chuck,we really appreciate the work you put into it. Gene. Ted Morris: Madame Chairman,there are also quite a large number of air show people who live in New Mexico that could Gene Kennon: I guess my question would be,and I know fly down from Albuquerque. We don't need to rely on there are reasons why it has to be held at this particular someone from Florida,California,or some other place,so I time,but I circulate this question among all the pilots and think that we could have a reasonable professional presence everybody here,why couldn't it be like this time of the here any time of year. year? Like for instance,the last two weeks it has just been perfect weather in my opinion. Jim Boykin: Well,who would that be? Chuck McLean: Ted and I last year watched it up until Ted Morris: The State Aviation Division has a list of who December,and I don't think we say a bad weekend. I does this. think it is conflict with other aviation events,and the fair. Jim Boykin: Yeah,but do you know any of them? There is (Unclear words.) Franklin from over at Lovington. Chuck McLean: The professional guy,this is pretty much Gene Kennon: Didn't we have an aerobatics demonstration the end of their air show season. from Albuquerque one year? Jack Rosenow: Much past October you are not going to Ted Morris: Ray Veitch. get performers. Jim Boykin: Well,that guy Franklin would probably be way Stephanie Medoff: Lordsburg has a Fly-In November ls`. out of our price range. I have seen him several times in El That is just a Fly-In,it's not an air show? So,the last air Paso,and he is incredible. show 1997 in New Mexico was T or C on October 4d'. Chuck McLean: Another aspect of that weather,is the fact Jim Boykin: Well,the fall there is no question about it. It that they limit their air show performances because a lot of is the best flying weather in this part of the world no doubt communities around the country are not equipped to have air about it,from September,October,on to the end of the shows as late as we are,so I don't know whether they would year. be willing to add onto their schedule or not. It seems like it LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 3 of 20 would be a winner for them to come to a beautiful place. Ted Morris: Madame Chairman,I would say that there is no Of course they have to get here too,that is the other thing. overriding reason to have it when it is hot. We could delay it, and resolve the shade problem without any expense by having Jim Boykin: Are you saying just eliminate somebody like the event later in the year. somebody who is going to do aerobatics or stuff like that, that's about the only thing we are buying isn't it? Bill Madden: There is a gamble with the weather. It can get cold this time of year. Bill Madden: I bring that up as a possible way to reduce the overhead,and it would allow you to move it to a later Gene Kennon: But the wind wouldn't be a problem this time date to get away from the heat. That was a comment in the of year. 92 comments in a small survey that was done among people, it was too hot,too much dead time between acts, Ed Lindsay: Madame Chairman,I would like to ask a very are we going to have acts,can we fill in with locals,flour fundamental question,and preface it with a couple of very bombing contest—it hasn't been done in a long time? Or brief remarks which for me will be difficult but I will try. is that too dull,people have got to watch aerobatics. When this thing originally started,it was really basically organized by a young lady just out of high school essentially. Jim Boykin: The problem is,you get them all to watch the Then it had a lot of the groups on the field participating,our Stealth,and they are probably going to want Stealth from flying club was one,the EAA Chapter was another,so I got a then on. double barrel shot at it. But,the intent was to simply provide, as Jack has stated his intentions,a low cost place for people to Chuck McLean: I guess I failed to mention in my survey, take their family and enjoy an afternoon,while at the same they all liked the Stealth. time promoting the airport. Introducing people to general aviation,and the business aviation community here in Las Stephanie Medoff. But timing isn't really a problem with Cruces. I think as Bill pointed out,I can produce some aerial the Stealth? It does seem to be an overriding concern,but photographs we took the first year,that we had a nice crowd the heat just keeps the people away. of probably at any one time as the paper indicated 2,000 folks out here. We had a lot of things for the kids to do that year, Gene Kennon: How much trouble would it be to get shade and we had hoped to expand that,then we lost Laura,and the such as umbrellas,tents,or canopies of some sort? City entered into some negotiations with Jack,and Jack took over the leadership of the event. But,has the intent and Ted Morris: You need enough,sir,too put 5,000 people purpose of this changed from the City's prospective? What is under canopies. That is a lot of canvas. the City looking for? It would seem that would dictate in turn what kind of events and activities are held out here. The first Gene Kennon: Well,a lot of them had the shade like I did couple of years Waide Noel did an aerobatics routine,and I right outside this door that helped. think the crowd enjoyed that. We had the fly-bys,some of the local money guys who can afford the war birds,and that was Ted Morris: However,the angle of the sun that time of entertaining to the crowd,and in years since then,we have had year,there is about ten feet worth of shade in front of this an aerobatics pilot out of Santa Teresa,was there not? So, building,and that is it. There just simply is not enough where is this going? Is the intent to make this an air show shade from buildings. It would have to be artificially hosted at Las Cruces International Airport,or is the intent to constructed. use it as a public event to bring the public out to introduce them to the airport? That was the original intent,just to Jim Boykin: Down in El Paso they sell tickets to those introduce them to general aviation,and business,and chalets. commercial aviation as it was based in Las Cruces. It just seems to me like the board owes Jack, if nothing else,a little Stephanie Medoff: They are very expensive. more guidance as to what,and the City owes him some guidance as to what they expect out of this event. That Chuck McLean: We talked about three chalets here. Ted dictates whether you need air show entertainment,or military and I went out and measured off some. These tie-down presence on the field. anchors we've got in here,I think we could put things between them,but again it would be a year to year thing, Stephanie Medoff. The City does not owe Jack an explanation you start with ten the next year twenty. They make them of what they think it should be,because Jack does not want the out of electrical conduit and big blue tarps laced on there City involved. like a trampoline. They cast quite a shadow. We went back last year afterwards and stood things up to see where Ed Lindsay: Well,okay. they cast a shadow. Stephanie Medoff: But,on that note,Mr.City. LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 4 of 20 Chuck McLean: I might add that the title of the thing was and how it is to be put together,and who is responsible for called Aviation Awareness Day,you've got an airport out this,those need to be clarified before you really go to anything here,come look at it. else. Jim Boykin: Can you really make that statement that Jack Jim Ericson: If I can pick up on Councillor Gustafson's doesn't want to know what the City wants? comments,once I put my thoughts together,I think it could be a City event if the Council wanted to do it that way. It could Stephanie Medoff. I think so,based on last year's City also be just the way it has been,the type of similar activities Council's work session,and the Memorandum of the Whole Enchilada Fiesta is on City property,and the Agreement that we had to fight over for this year's show, recently concluded crafts fair are both on City property,and the 97 show. the City has specific agreements with the organizers of both of those events that spell out who is doing what. The City does Jim Boykin: I'm song,I didn't see that. have certain presence at both of those as far as emergency services,police,some clean up,and those type of things. The Stephanie Medoff. They want no City involvement. I purpose I think that Mr.Lindsay,both of his purposes,one,to would assume that includes guidance. But anyway,do you provide exposure for the airport and for aviation,and the other have a sense of what the City wants. to provide a family event that is something that is inexpensive or free for the residents of the area to come out and see. I Jim Ericson: Madame Chairman,I don't have a sense,I know that several Councillors have mentioned that as refer to Councillor Gustafson. positives,and a nice opportunity for people to get out and see the show,and so I think it is a duel end purpose. Councillor Gustafson: I don't think this has ever been a City sponsored event,is that correct? It was started as a Chuck McLean: I have got to reinforce the Chairman,and private show,and it has continued,is that right? Jim,and Councillor,we did this last year,almost exactly a year ago. That,if we are going to be responsible,or someone, Jack Rosenow: It started out at the request of Mike the City,Jack in some article in the paper as quoted that if we Medley,and we had assumed the first two years that it was had another shortfall,this and that,and we are not getting a City sponsored event,but we did not go for City funding. along,etc. And,we spent 40 hours,this group,and seven We went to private owners and sponsors to pay for it,and meetings doing exactly what Ed is saying,get it established, then in 96 the decision was made that unless it was and who is going to control it. Should the City just say,"there covered by City Resolution it was not a City event. So, is our airport,you can have it?" Which is what I think is instead of going through all that we opted last year to buy almost what we ended up with,and we were run around by the the insurance. (Unclear words.) I try to cooperate with tail at many meetings,two Council meetings,two meetings of everybody concerned,this Board,the City Manager,the this chapter,to do just what is being addressed today. That is City Council,it is just that we have not gone to the City for why we are here again,I guess. If the City is going to any funds other than what was necessary to make the eventually,in the long run,be held at least up to criticism, airport safe for the public. then it is this Board that should be saying what the hell happens on this airport,and we tried to do that last year,and Councillor Gustafson: I think that the real important thing we got shot down. here is,like you said,the intent. What is the intent of the whole show? What is the purpose of it? I think we go Jim Boykin: Well,how did we get shot down? back to the original purpose,and that clarifies a number of things. It is on City property,and that makes a difference. Chuck McLean: We were in a meeting to discuss the The City certainly has to be involved. Whatever authority of the Board,the type of committee it should be,and arrangement is made the City has to be a part of it. There everything else. Jack interfered at the opening of the meeting, has to be an exact understanding of whose responsibility it took over the meeting which I criticize the City Clerk for. is for the show,and putting it together,and what the City's responsibility is as far as the site,place and insurance,and Jim Boykin: What meeting was this? workers,and everything else. I could have sat and listened to a Sitcom this morning,but I read the minutes to the Chuck McLean: The City Council. meeting. Jim Boykin: Was I not there? Chuck McLean: That was quite a Sitcom. Chuck McLean: I have no idea who was there. I sure know Councillor Gustafson: So, it is hard for me to come to that I was there,and that is when Jack said,"it is a whole new really a final conclusion,except that there has been a lot of ball game,I have written up a memorandum of agreement..." misunderstanding. And,I think that clarification of intent, rIN LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 5 of 20 Jim Boykin: Isn't that why we wrote this Memorandum of look at it and say,this is good or it isn't. So,I think you all Agreement,so we could come up with this is what we are have to get your heads together and come up with a plan to going to do,and this is how we are going to do it. There present to the City Council. are obviously some problems with this,and we will have to do something about this,there is no question about it. Stephanie Medoff: I think that we thought we had done that at our October Board meeting. I think that we were pretty well Chuck McLean: I think we ended up with the agreed that we would continue with Jack as the Chairman of Memorandum of Agreement in order to isolate the air the Aviation Day Committee,Jack Rosenow who is sitting show or Aviation Day,into an independent organization next to you. Chuck would do the citizen input survey,and we not subject to this Board or the City. would come up with the Memorandum of Agreement today at the November meeting with last year's committee. That was Jim Boykin: I just don't see that. the sense I had of it when I left here a month ago. Chuck McLean: Read it. Jim Boykin: So did L Jack Rosenow: That MOU right there,that was prepared Gene Kennon: I would agree. by the Airport Manager... Stephanie Medoff. Four days later,and I thought that Mr. Jim Boykin: When were we kept out of the loop? When Rosenow felt that way too. Four days later he writes directly did we ever ask Jack to come here,and he didn't? to the City Manager saying that he was treated deceitfully,and then he went to the Editorial Board of the Sun News and tried Chuck McLean: I'm not talking about Jack,I am talking to get a Sound Off and letters to the editor campaign going. about the City. We went to the City and said, if the City is going to be chastised in the paper for not acting,then they Jack Rosenow: That is not true. are eventually going to say,who the hell is responsible for pulling this together. They will come to the Board and Stephanie Medoff: Well,that is how it appears to me. There say,you are the ones who introduced all the paperwork, was an article in the Sun News about the"Tarnished Tarmac," who do you want to do it? We went to the City Council, Jack was the guest columnist on the editorial page all over and we had a work session fust,and the work session... something that I thought we had tried to handle as adults,and quite supportive of Jack. That forced me to re-look at the Stephanie Medoff No,first I went and spoke to the City issue. And,re-looking at it,I am not happy. If we meet what Council about the insurance issue and all of that,and Jack we think is in good faith,and discuss it openly,Jack has his spoke to the City Council. The City Council was taken tape recorder,we had our tape recorder,we have verbatim aback at the vitriol,and decided to have a work session. minutes of it,anybody can read what was said. I think Jack Then we had the work session. was well supported. I don't think it was unfair to do a citizen input,they are whom it is for,let's see how they feel about it. Frank Dailey: Councillor,now you can see why we asked It is not for us,it is not for Jack,it is to make the citizens you out here. We need someone will put a little insight in aware of the airport and enjoy a day at the airport. Yet,four what the Council and Mayor would like to do. We have days later the ball starts rolling about a tarnished tarmac,and been beating ourselves to death,and chasing our tails if terrible airport management,and by extension I can only think you know what I mean. I think it is all unnecessary. I I'm not a very good airport board. And,I personally don't think we ought to say,"hey here is how we are going to care to participate in this kind of an exercise again. I was on run it,if you don't want to join this team and be part of a Jack's side. I am sitting here today,angry. I don't know what team effort,just get out and stand aside." to do. I don't want to be chairing this meeting,and that is all I can say. So,I would ask you guys to lead me,because I don't Councillor Gustafson: I think the City Council would like think I can lead you. I am really angry. to know what you all want. I think that is where it has to come from. I don't think the City Council is in a position Jack Rosenow: The document that was forwarded about the to tell you,"this is what we want,and this is the way you air show without the knowledge of the Committee,basically are going to operate." That is not the way it should work, without the knowledge of this Board, in my opinion misled so you should have a concise,clear plan that is presented Jim Ericson,the City Manager,this Board,as to the fact that to the City for their approval,I am talking about the we as a committee failed in our obligation to the insurance,liability,responsibilities,and everything else. I Memorandum of Understanding. hate to see that you don't make enough money to pay your bills,I think that is too bad. I don't know why or what the Stephanie Medoff. On very small issues. reason is,but,nevertheless, it has to be a well funded,well designed,well planned operation,and the City would then Jim Boykin: What document is this? LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 6 of 20 Stephanie Medoff: The critique of the MOA. Stephanie Medoff: You were at the meeting last month. Jack Rosenow: It inferred that this committee ignored the Frank Dailey: Sure,everybody did at the meeting. Memorandum of Understanding. It did not. We met every obligation of the Memorandum of Understanding,period. Stephanie Medoff: That is what we discussed,the barricades, That,in my opinion,was meant to mislead this Board,Jim the trash,and the barrels. Ericson,and the City Manager(unclear words). I'm not sure how I'm suppose to feel about this,(unclear words). I Jim Boykin: Okay. What I remember was,hey,we are going can't forget about it. I had a meeting with the people in to learn from this,we are going to go on,everybody liked it, the board last week with a copy of the memorandum,and a we are going to continue with this thing. So,what happened? copy of the critique,and they were very offended by it. They were out there with me moving barrels about. The Stephanie Medoff: Exactly. So,you feel what I feel. It was a signs were picked up by the airport maintenance people, learning experience,end of story,let us continue on,let us get and I have no problem with that. (Unclear words.) some citizen input,let us come back and do a Memorandum of Understanding probably with Jack and his committee. Stephanie Medoff. Let me interrupt here for the sake of time. I felt in the chain of command,if that is what all the Jim Boykin: So where did the ire begin to rise? ex-military people want to call it,the Airport Advisory Board is the first entity you would go to with this Stephanie Medoff. Jack left here,thought for four days,I complaint. That was done at our last meeting. In re- guess,and wrote a letter to the City Manager. reading these minutes I still maintain that all of that was dealt with,and the general consensus was that,"okay,this Jim Boykin: For what reason? is a learning experience over barricades and trash,end of story,"it was dealt with at the lowest level possible. This Stephanie Medoff. To say that he was treated deceitfully. is my reading. If any other Board members disagree with me,please say so. Jim Boykin: Do you feel you were treated deceitfully? Chuck McLean: My only problem was the fact that it was Jack Rosenow: Yes,I thought the memo misled(unclear an internal document between this gentleman and his boss. words)supervisors and officials of City government. It wasn't going anywhere else. (Unclear words.) Stephanie Medoff. That is my next question. Is it an internal document or is it something that needs to be Frank Dailey: Madame Chairman,we need to have one shared with.... meeting. We have too many people talking. I think that this meeting,the last meeting we had,we all sat down and I Jim Boykin: As far as I can understand,we are not thought there was an agreement with all the board members privileged to what has caused this blow-up,is this true? that this is the way we are going to handle it. No one seemed to complain. Now all the sudden all of these things are Stephanie Medoff. We had copies at the board meeting. terribly important,and I just thought that a lot of these minor We discussed it. items like moving trash barrels or cans is all simple stuff,and would have been cured automatically,didn't have to blow it Jim Boykin: I don't mean the board meeting,I mean the all over the City Hall and all over the local newspaper. I think internal document that seems to have set Jack off. that is ridiculous. Jim,am I right,wasn't that the idea of the last meeting was to(unclear word)a lot of these problems? Stephanie Medoff. That is the critique. That was at the last meeting. That is what we did. Jim Ericson: I did not forward that memo to the manager. I don't think he even saw a copy. I just assumed that those Jim Boykin: Weren't the board minutes the critique? were issues that would work out,they were minor issues. From my perspective they were not un-resolvable. Bill Madden: There was an after-action report that he wrote up for Jim. Frank Dailey: I get upset when people call me at home and telling me the whole board ought to get out of there,and get a Jim Boykin: Is this what caused the... whole new board in. If they want us out,fine,I'll get the hell out of here. I'm doing this on my own time. Stephanie Medoff: Yes. Stephanie Medoff. I'm beginning to agree with that. Jim Boykin: Well,I never saw that. LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 7 of 20 Frank Dailey: I just can't believe we sit here month after and go through it and if that is the way you all want to month and not resolve the same stinking issues. We ought continue,then let's go on with it. to be able to do something. I don't know how you feel Bill,but this is getting old time now. Chuck McLean; But,this makes the grand assumption that Jack that is the party. I think now we are back on whom is Bill Madden: We haven't even got a new Memorandum of going to run it. Agreement,and we are already starting down the same road we started last year at this time. If every time Jack Stephanie Medoff: Whom the agreement is between is what I has a disagreement with us or the Airport Manager, it's think we have to decide before we spend any time on another going to get in the paper and on the world wide web,he agreement. even eludes to it in that. It mentions the delays due to the City's policy change in 97. 1 would just as soon see a new Jim Ericson: You're right. air show committee. Someone who can work with the City Management,or let it lay for a year. Bill Madden: Couldn't there be a boilerplate agreement that would apply to anyone who wanted to put on something at the Frank Dailey: I have worked at 19 different airports,and I airport? can tell you,that every single airport in the country you want to do anything at their airport,you go through the Jim Boykin: Well,I would make a motion to do what Mr. Airport Manager. There is no other way you can handle Ericson just said. Because as far as I'm concerned,we can sit the operation. He is the guy who is responsible 100 here all day and get mad because somebody wrote a letter,and percent for the operation at the airport,and whether you we can get our feelings hurt,and I have had mine hurt once or like him or not,you have to deal with him. twice,but I get over that fast. I think that we should try to look more at the bigger picture. We can take this Jim Boykin: (Unclear words.) By this Memorandum of Memorandum of Agreement and rewrite it,add to it,subtract Agreement here,it goes by the Airport Manager. The from it,whatever anybody wants to do,and proceed. thing that everybody is all about is the fact that Jack wrote a letter,which obviously he should not have done. Right? Stephanie Medoff. That begs the question of,"who is the agreement between,the Board,the City,and who?" I really Chuck McLean: Now that we have Councillor Gustafson feel like until we know the"and who"part,we shouldn't here,we can't let him leave without knowing that we had spend unnecessary time making up an agreement. weeks of preparation in detail of who the hell would be the Air Boss,his assistant,charts,and how we wanted that air Jim Boykin: Well, it is signed right here,by the City attest, show to go. And,we never got the chance at the City Jack B.Rosenow and somebody from the City. Council meeting to get up and present it. And,why the City Clerk didn't sit Jack down,and say that he was out of Stephanie Medoff. So,you are just assuming it will be Jack order,I'll never know. Rosenow again? Jack Rosenow: I don't know what you are talking about. Ted Morris: That agreement,sir,expired on the first of Mrs.Medoff came up and said that there was nobody in October. here on the Airport Advisory Board that wanted to do it. Jim Boykin: That is not the point. Stephanie Medoff: That is true. No one sitting on this board wanted to run the air show. Stephanie Medoff. What is the point? Chuck McLean: Somewhere Jim has all of our paperwork. Jim Boykin: The point was,who is it between. It is between the City and Jack. Stephanie Medoff. Mr.Ericson has a suggestion. Stephanie Medoff: That one. Now we have to come up with a Jim Ericson: Madame Chairman,it sounds like there was new one. a consensus at the October meeting between all the parties on where you're going. Rather than rehash the problems,I Jim Boykin: Why should it be between somebody else? would respectfully suggest that you consider to just say, okay here we are,let's take the current Memorandum of Stephanie Medoff: That is what we are discussing right now. Understanding and we are all familiar with it. If there is anything that each of the members of the board,or Jack,or Bill Madden: Because we do not want to go through another staff has,I suggest that you take them one point at a time, year and get the Airport in the newspaper with a lot of negative comments,because people can't agree on something. LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 8 of 20 Jim Boykin: Perhaps it is our responsibility to write this Stephanie Medoff: Our choices are:go with last year's Memorandum of Agreement so that can't happen. committee,not have an air show next year and let this all blow over and everybody take a breath and look back at it and Bill Madden: I don't know if we can control that. attempt it in 1999,or the third one is we come up with another committee. Councillor Gustafson: I think that Jim had a good point. I think that you are going to have a Memorandum of Frank Dailey: I think it will reflect badly on this board here,if Understanding first off,whether it is with Jack or we just say,no we are not going to have it. (Unclear words.) somebody else. If you can get that written and take care of We ought to be able to solve the problem. all the conflicts that arose last time,that's what has to be done. You are going to have to have something you agree Stephanie Medoff: I felt that we had probably solved the on. problem last month,and it became unsolved four days later. This is a pattern. Stephanie Medoff: I don't think there is any problem with the Memorandum. Jim Boykin: (Unclear words.) We have got to stop putting up stop signs. We don't need stop signs. (Unclear words.) Chuck McLean: Minor changes. Stephanie Medoff. Which I thought we had,Jim. The stop Stephanie Medoff. Yeah,very minor. sign was thrown up by Mr.Rosenow. Ed Lindsay: Madame Chairman,I don't sit as a member Jim Boykin: I don't see it as a stop sign. I think it is a of the board,but I would like to say one other thing. I learning procedure like this whole thing is. We have to learn have looked at Jack's World Wide Web site,and I have to work together with what we have,because we don't have picked up on some rather unfavorable remarks,and I don't anything else. think it reflects well on the City of Las Cruces. (Unclear words.) I don't understand why if Jack feels his Stephanie Medoff. I think that who has not learned that lesson relationship with this board is so contentious,I don't is Jack Rosenow. understand why he would want to continue doing this? It may very well be that there was a personality issue here, Jack Rosenow: (Unclear words.) I went there for the purpose that Jack is simply not the individual to work with the of getting input. board,and I don't understand why Jack wants to continue in this relationship. Stephanie Medoff: You could have stopped before that point. You could have not written that letter to Mr.Nava. That is Jim Boykin: Well,there doesn't seem to be anybody else what began the process. And, in that letter you told him,"I who is jumping up and saying they want too. So,we are have a meeting set up for Thursday to meet with the Sun News either not going to have it,or we are probably going to Editorial Board." have it with him. This board has already said that they are not interested in doing it. Jack Rosenow: That's correct. Bill Madden: But there are people out there that would Stephanie Medoff: You began the entire thing Jack,I don't give it a shot. care what you say,you did it. Jim Boykin: Who? Jim Boykin: Well,what is the consensus of this board? Do you want Jack to apologize,or do you want Jack to get up and Bill Madden: I don't want to name names, it will put them leave? on the spot. Frank Dailey: Well,Jim,I've got an idea. I propose(unclear Jim Boykin: It seems to me if they wanted to do this,they words)maybe even go into closed session. I suggest that we would want to be on the spot. Jack put himself on the spot. ask Jack to step aside,and turn it over to the Board,and the Board will formulate a committee,or appoint someone to run Ted Morris: Madame Chairman,if I could make a it that can work with the Board more closely. Now that is just comment. Several people have talked to me about being a proposal. on the board,or being on the committee,or something like that,but they do not want their names placed in Stephanie Medoff. Is that a motion? competition with someone else. They would rather this issue be resolved,and then they will step forward. Frank Dailey: Yes. LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 9 of 20 Stephanie Medoff. Is there a second to that motion? money(unclear words). I keep trying to relate this to the other things that go on here,because obviously this is a civilian Bill Madden: I'll second it. private type thing,and the City doesn't really want,according to my talk with the Mayor,to get into running something like Stephanie Medoff. Discussion. this.Then the City Manager said in the paper that$3,000 doesn't bother him at all. Is this a unique thing for our air Gene Kennon: I don't know that I can go along with that. show that if we decide we can't go along with this anymore? My reasons are,we all agree that we have a document that Suppose Jack gets run over by a truck,or it becomes needs a little adjustment. I think Jack, in respect to you, impossible and we decide we are not going to have this thing that we agree that it was a good air show,and the next year,then we have to pay some money. Now where does comments being made to the newspaper,and to the City the money come from? Right now we do not have any money, Manager,I think for this to go on,that sort of thing has to none of these private things do,so there is no way to address stop especially when you have an agreement here that we this. It is fine to say we are going to do it,but how? did have last month. With that kind of stuff going forward what it is going to do is destroy,I think,the confidence Gene Kennon: (Unclear words.) There is a certain amount of that the people had in the whole entity. I just think that flexibility that the City Council does have. After all,we elect instead of things like that which tends to tear it down, these people to represent the will of the citizens. We are an (unclear words). There could be a situation where,if that advisory board,and it seems to me we have the responsibility sort of thing continues,then this becomes null and void. to make this work,and work out the conditions under which it Now,I'm not trying to make it a threat,I just think we can work. Anything is possible. have to learn to get along together,and we can not function as an entity if we have all this friction going on. Stephanie Medoff: I think that the City Manager says he That is the essence of it. So,this can work. But,I really doesn't mind that$3,000 being spent towards an event that think that it has gotten to the point where there has to be a occurred. I'm sure the Council would think about paying for condition put on it,and so I can't go along with the motion something that does not occur to get out of it. Jack you have that was made. your hand up. Stephanie Medoff. When does it become null and void? Jack Rosenow: In hindsight,I regret that letter to Nava. I Once the committee has committed to acts coming in,they really do. But,here is my problem. Those types of criticism have to pay. So,if we say,"alright the behavior is not sent as public record that are not correct,have become very, acceptable,this memorandum is now null and void,there very,frustrating. (Unclear words.) I apologize for the will not be an air show in 1998,"who pays the fee to get frustration that would cause that letter to be written,but we out of these acts? You wouldn't pay the full fee,there is felt something had to be done. I did not want any article in the always a clause in their contract,who would pay that? newspaper. I talked with(unclear word),and I talked with Brunt,and said"don't do it,don't do it,"and they did it Gene Kennon: There would have to be a contingency that anyway. makes that part of the contract. Stephanie Medoff. Well,they are newspaper reporters. What Stephanie Medoff: Into that part of the contract,or part of did you think they would do? They are looking for news. the memorandum? Jack Rosenow: I am just explaining to you that I regret that I Gene Kennon: Let's just say that Ole Olson is contracting ever sent the letter. to perform,there could be a contingency written into that, this is not firmed up,or for some reason it has to be Stephanie Medoff. I told him when he called me,I said that canceled,then maybe a portion of that(unclear words). this was a non-story,and he said"that is up to my editor." I guess his editor wanted to test the waters,and he ran the story. Stephanie Medoff. But,I think that is why this clause is It is all very regrettable. It did happen. It is not the first time put in,just for that very event that something should come this sort of thing has happened,that is my concern. We have a up,and it should be canceled or whatever. Those acts still motion on the floor. Does anybody else have any other want to have some sort of payment for having committed discussion? their time. That is why those clauses are in contracts. So, if you do not put those kinds of clauses in contracts,I don't Jim Boykin: If he has apologized for it,what else can he do? know whom you would get as a performer. Stephanie Medoff. Do it again,and apologize again,and do it Jim Boykin: Well,does this have any parallel to say again,and apologize again. something like the Whole Enchilada? Is there somebody who comes to the Whole Enchilada that costs a lot of Jim Boykin: Do you really think he would do that? LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4,1997 Page 10 of 20 Stephanie Medoff. I'm afraid I do. I'm afraid I do. This Chuck McLean: I'll say one thing,Jim,as a summary is two years running. comment. If we spent this amount of time and the forty hours last year,and all that we are going to spend this year,we Jack Rosenow: When was the other time? would have had a hell of an air show. Stephanie Medoff. All of last year. In the newspaper you Stephanie Medoff. It is now 1:00. Is there any other said,if this man here"doesn't quit flapping his mouth,"he discussion? Susan? is going to have to"file a suit against him." I read that article last night. Susan Pfeiffer: I didn't take it down verbatim. I have,Frank Dailey asked that Jack Rosenow step aside,and let the Board Jack Rosenow: (Unclear words.) Again,that was total come up with or appoint a new committee. frustration from fighting this thing for four months. Jim Boykin: Is that right,Frank? Stephanie Medoff: There are a lot of things that are said in this community that don't hit the newspaper,and are Frank Dailey: Something like that. ironed out between the parties involved. You don't go running and whining,and I am tired of it! I feel like I'm Chuck McLean: It was changed to a motion,and seconded by dealing with my children—"Mom,she looked at me. Bill Madden. Well,what do you want me to do?" Deal with it! Stephanie Medoff: All those in favor of the motion signify by Jim Boykin: Well,are we going to give him a chance to raising your hand. One,two,three,four,and all those deal with it or not? opposed? One,two,motion passed. Stephanie Medoff: I think we have. I think we have given Ted Morris: I have a question of legality,and that is,under him a chance. Alright,there is a motion on the floor. the open meetings act you have to record the votes. You need to know who voted which way. Just for the record,you have Chuck McLean: I think we have to ask is there any more Gene Kennon,and Jim Boykin voted against the motion,and discussion. all others voted in favor. Stephanie Medoff. Is there further discussion? Chuck McLean: Charlie was absent. Chuck McLean: I do have a point that I made in a private (NOTE: Mr.Rosenow left the meeting immediately after the note to myself,and I won't read it. I looked at this thing vote.) until I was blue in the face,back to how we got started last year,how we got into the turmoil with the City Council, Bill Madden: I have a comment. This web site,I don't know and who was really causing the late start,which I think we if it goes away now or what happens. I saw a whole bunch of are all conscious of I use to use the word too many times, stuff on it,and I was unhappy with it. "hit the ground running,"Jack needed time to do it. But, I would say that Jack contributed to the delay as much or Jim Boykin: I don't think that you can control that now. more than anybody else did,because we started talking about it right after the air show. If the City was going to Bill Madden: The thing is,it talks about Las Cruces. Does be held up for criticism,we the Board should act,and we something like that go through the PIO of the City? I mean, went to the City Council thru Jim,and we got the process it's reflecting on the Las Cruces Airport. started. What I am worried about,when I started putting my stuff together for this meeting, is that I used the term Stephanie Medoff. Is that what you have highlighted? "overlay". The overlay back to the beginning last year,if you look at how we got started and got off the tracks again Bill Madden: Yeah, in fact what I have highlighted is three this year, if you look at the web site,if you look at Jack's points that I got rather upset about. When he talks about the letter,if you look at Ted's tempest in the tea pot,like one history of the fly-in,it makes it sound like he invented it. The of the people telling me it was,you have a consistent event originated in September of 1993 as a result of two pattern either we are not looking at,or do not want to airport open-house events,which drew no more than 500 understand. people. The Sun News article,maybe I'm beating this to death,I don't know,but here is what it says:"A conservative Jim Boykin: Well,does that say that we can't learn and go estimate of about 2,000 at any given time." It sounds like it on? was just a rag-tag put together thing,and it also states that Mike Medley appointed him to form a committee to manage and conduct an annual event each year. It makes it sound like LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 11 of 20 it was a permanent appointment. And also,the committee concerns or problems that might come up,and if you want to established a concept of this event would occur in deal with Jack,or somebody else,you might have some other September,and would offer a free non-alcoholic people who want to run it,but you have to get this thing educational family event. I got upset about that because, through. Laura Haynes,Chuck McLean,(unclear words)and the 99's. All of that is in here in 92,and to me it was Stephanie Medoff. From last year we have a list of people plagiarism. I get upset when people take credit for who we think would consider working on it. We have our someone else's hard work,which has happened to me in organizational charts. I didn't throw them away,because I the past. Another thing,I just wanted to point it out. knew in my heart that... Stephanie Medoff: None of those are really negative (Missing words due to changing tapes.) against the City though. Stephanie Medoff: Last year the City did volunteer to give up Bill Madden: No,but it trivializes the work that was done to$2,500 towards the shortfall in addition to the services that before he took over. I just had to say that. cost approximately$3,000 that they do supply. Jack refused it. Stephanie Medoff. I feel very badly about this. I truly thought that last month's meeting had solved it. Then Councillor Gustafson: See those things have to be done in when the events of this past month transpired,and I feel I advance, isn't that right Jim? You can not wait until later and failed miserably as a mediator. But,then looking back on say,well we went in the hole$3,000 and we want you to make it,I think I didn't fail. He wouldn't accept what I thought it up. we were doing in good faith. Either I will quit the Board, or we will move on. Stephanie Medoff. And we tried to do that. Chuck McLean: The fun is just beginning,don't quit. Chuck McLean: I think Mayor Smith volunteered because it never came to an official meeting that Jack could justify it,or Frank Dailey: I think what we have to do now is form an whoever the chairman was,the generic chairman,that he Ad-Hoc committee,and establish who we are going to get would see no problem with going with as much as$2,500 to run Aviation Day,and select people to serve on the because,you and I remember the same thing,right? To get to committee. the earlier question,I spent the morning on the phone with somebody named Judy Finch who was in charge I believe she Chuck McLean: That is what we worked out with Jim last is sort of the coordinator of the overall thing called the Arts year. The only thing is he never got to hear it,because we Council of Dona Ana County or Southern New Mexico Arts got sidetracked right at the damn City Council meeting. Council,which she is the actual coordinator of the thing that just finished the Renaissance Fair,to ask from strictly a Councillor Gustafson: Can I ask for a point of clarification manager's view point,this is one of the things that was on this motion that was made? Are you going to appoint a sensitive last year. The City has got someone out here new committee now? This group does not have collecting money whom the citizens have no accountability. responsibility for(unclear words). Councillor Gustafson: That is wrong. Ted Morris: Madame Chairman, if we go back to where we were at this point last year,the plan was for this Chuck McLean: Okay,so the key question was to Judy,the committee to find the volunteers to run Aviation Day,and first one,because Bill and I are in an organization with Ed that to oversee their activities and the progress of Aviation Day is now undergoing the 501 C for precisely the same reason. To on behalf of the City. That was going to be the function of cover our member's butts. And,she said,of course we are,we the Airport Board. We have all of that stuff,and we will can't operate without that. And,I said you have financial dig it all out again. reports to either your members or the people at large monthly, and I guess they have 27 board members who demand that (Unclear words.) accounting,and they disperse money for charitable organizations,they take donations,and they buy equipment. Chuck McLean: We had agreed that nobody on this Everything that was asked in this room on five occasions,Mr. committee would run it,because it is too much of a Rosenow said does not have or intend to have 5010 conflict. coverage. I thought that was a very vulnerable point for the City,and the question begs now when he went to the First Councillor Gustafson: I think the statement was made National Bank and said,they are one of the sponsors,are they earlier that,you still have to go through with the assuming that is a tax exempt thing and it isn't under those Memorandum of Understanding,and to alleviate any conditions. That is another potential threat down the road that Q LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 12 of 20 we worry about in our chapter that somebody is going to continue an event of this nature,then the Airport Board or say,hey,you can't accept money under that. And,now City Council,or God forbid the Mayor,somebody is going to your dealing not with the board,the Airport Advisory have to charter that committee with precisely what they expect Board I might add,you're dealing with the federal of them. What kind of a show are you going to produce. government,and someplace that is going to come back and roost in the City's'pocket,and that is exactly why we Stephanie Medoff. We can go back to the City and say the started this process last year. exact same words this year that I said to the City Council last year. Would they cover the insurance and all of that? Stephanie Medoff. Jim,do you have any comments on that? We need to keep going. Given what has just Chuck McLean:The nit-pick things,which I think Mr.Nava happened,we need to come up with a committee to get this identified,are nothing. I wrote those in,in two minutes into ball rolling. I think,my own opinion is,we need to change the new Memorandum of Understanding. the date. It was very presumptuous of them to say it was going to be September 13th of next year,and it doesn't Stephanie Medoff. Did the City last year agree that,yes,they have to be September 13`s. I think we should look at would cover the insurance if it were a City sponsored event? toward the end of October. It seems to me,except for this year,it usually gets cold around Halloween. This year it is Jim Ericson: Yes. There was a discussion in terms that the gorgeous. So,that gives us another month of working City would continue to provide the in kind,and... time,and we may want to make it a smaller show. Make it a local show,because where as if we can't fund raise, I Stephanie Medoff. And self-insured? don't think anybody else would be particularly happy to lose$3,000. So,we need to get a committee together Jim Ericson: Right,we would just buy insurance ourselves really fast,to get a committee together real fast. (unclear words),and I believe the discussion was that we put it in the budget. The staff proposed that. I could propose that to Chuck McLean: Well,we have all of those papers,and the manager,it would be a Council decision. I'm glad you can smile. Stephanie Medoff- We got$1,800 this year. When does that Stephanie Medoff: I'm not smiling inside. I feel terrible have to be done? When do we need to go before the City about this. Council? Do we need a committee in place first? I guess we should. Chuck McLean: Personnel problems always come out that way,but afterwards you'll feel better. Jim Ericson: We need to have a proposal on the scope,a basic budget as to what cash it would require. We would assume Stephanie Medoff. That is why I'm not a politician, the basic same level of in kind services,other out-of-pocket Henry. expenses,and other things that I am not aware of what Mr. Rosenow paid for,or didn't pay for. Whether it was an act, Councillor Gustafson: I'm not either,I'm a businessman. whether it was insurance,or whatever expenses there actually were. The City covered the rental of porta-potties,and certain Stephanie Medoff. My skin is entirely too thin,and I do other things that we normally don't do as a... not enjoy this in the least. I truly don't,but it has to be done. Frank Dailey: So,when do you need that proposal to go before the City Council? Chuck McLean: You shouldn't. If you did,you shouldn't be sitting there. Jim Ericson: The City doesn't adopt its final budget until in late April or early May. I would probably need something by Stephanie Medoff: Okay. Volunteers? February,at least in a preliminary form,total amount,and approximately what you are going to do with it. Chuck McLean: Are we going to set a time line now? I said it several times that if someone hits the ground Chuck McLean: I know you are not the City Attorney,but running on the first of December they can still have a good one of the jams that seems to have caused part of this problem show. Now if we are going to October,that is ten months. is the accepting of donations,and what not. Does that mean That is going to be perfect,so we shouldn't rush. this organization should be incorporated and have its own 501 C so the City is not involved in the money? Stephanie Medoff: Are you volunteering? Jim Ericson: I'm not the Attorney. I think that there are two Ed Lindsay: No Madame,I have a question. I go back to options,and thinking about it more again,there are in the the question I asked originally, if the City intends to Whole Enchilada Fiesta a group,and the Renaissance Dona LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 13 of 20 Ana Arts Council(unclear words). The City operates Bill Madden: Yeah,sure. something itself which is a non-profit,which is the Fourth of July. There is a substantial City appropriation,and they Ted Morris: That is enough. do accept donations as I recall. The committee goes out and I believe raises money outside the City. Stephanie Medoff. Do you want to be in charge? Chuck McLean: Oh yeah. But,they are 501C. Chuck McLean: No. Jim Ericson: The Fourth of July group is? Stephanie Medoff. Do you want to be in charge of setting meeting dates,making phone calls,or asking people whoever Chuck McLean: I have no idea. I'm talking about the Arts makes phone calls for your first meeting? Thank you,Dave. I Council. just want to cry. Jim Ericson: I happen to know that the City pays for a lot Chuck McLean: Don't worry about it. We should have our of the Fourth of July stuff,because when I was Acting City first meeting when? Are you the chair now? Manager I signed the contract for the entertainment for $17,000 and some odd number of dollars. There are two Dave Church: Well,when do you guys want to meet? ways to go. It can be a 501C3,it can be a committee operating under the auspices of the City with a separate Jim Boykin: Are we going to pursue this Memorandum of budget,and within the City budget. Understanding,or are we going to put that off. Stephanie Medoff: Do we go to the City Manager and ask Chuck McLean: We don't need it. him which he would prefer? Stephanie Medoff. Yeah,let's put it off. I think it probably is Jim Ericson: I will. I would assume he would ask the fine the way it is anyway. Council. Ted Morris: I would say that the only thing would solve the Ted Morris: Madame Chairman,last year what we did problem,I think,is an independent committee to determine was we actually set up a separate line item in preparation whether or not,not by independent but this board is going to for this being a City sponsored event for Aviation Day oversee things this year,and you guys make the determination expenses and everything. We were going to present it to of whether the garbage was picked up,or what ever. the City as in the budget process and let the City Council make a decision about it. That way there is a total Stephanie Medoff: Is the Memorandum of Agreement even accounting for the money. There is a budget,and there is necessary? an accounting for all the expenses,and it is overseen by the City,and there are no ifs,ands,or buts about whether it Ted Morris: I believe it is. is a tax exempt or where the money went,or anything like that,any of those questions. All of those questions would Chuck McLean: Every group has to have one, it's a contract. be resolved if we did it that way. Or,a committee could be formed,and get a 501C3 and go on,and on,and on,and do Jim Boykin: I suggest we just take this one and mark it up. it similar to the way the Dona Ana Arts Council does it. Either way would work. Stephanie Medoff. That is what I thought we would do instead of what was just done. I'm getting old and impatient. Stephanie Medoff. Okay,let's form the committee to form I think I am going to go to the doctor and see if I'm running the committee. Which may end up being the committee. out of estrogen. Dave Church,Marty Ditmore,did you raise your hand? Other hand raisers? Ted Morris: You've got enough testosterone that is for sure, I'm telling you. Chuck McLean: I will be the Board representative. Frank Dailey: I want that in the Minutes. Stephanie Medoff. Chuck McLean,Jim Ericson. Chuck McLean: Yeah,put that in the Minutes,and take one Frank Dailey: If you need another member I will be glad copy to the Sun News. to help. Stephanie Medoff. Oh,she's a bitch,but she has a sense of Stephanie Medoff. Frank Dailey,you want to help don't humor,you know? you,Bill? Ar LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 14 of 20 Chuck McLean: Let's not have a funeral here. These are Frank Dailey: It is too bad that it had to come to this,but we recommendations,aren't they? We recommend that Jack have been fooling with this for two years. be removed to the City Council,right? Stephanie Medoff: He forced our hand. Let's continue. Ted Morris: No. There is no existing agreement in force. Thank you so much everybody. Stephanie Medoff. We just didn't renew it. Dave Church: Before you go on,I want all the guys on the committee to write their name and phone numbers on a piece Chuck McLean: Do we have that power? of paper so that I can call everybody. Bill Madden: Will the City accept whatever committee we Stephanie Medoff: Infrastructure development. come up with? That will be the official committee? Ted Morris: Madame Chairman,if I could,I rewrote the Ted Morris: Yes,exactly. Airport Manager's Report anticipating a contentious meeting where everybody goes,"let's get out of here now." So, Vernon Wilson: If he proposes an alternate committee, instead of doing it according to the agenda,I'll just go through then it is up to the City Council to say. the Airport Manager's Report,and some of these things we can defer till next month if that is alright with you? Bill Madden: If he wants to have a war in the papers,I guess... Stephanie Medoff: That is wonderful. Stephanie Medoff: That was going to be my next Ted Morris: AIP project 12,which is the Taxiway C Project— comment. As you drive home today,gather your thoughts all the FAA grants are approved,the State grants are about what happened here in case you are contacted by approved,the contract is approved and signed by the City Jack King. Council and C.S.McCrossan. The electric gates have been re-designed and in particular the one down at the west end is Frank Dailey: I just don't think that anybody on the going to be moved to the far end of Mesilla Valley Aviation's committee ought to be free with talking to the reporters or property line,and the fence will tie into the south side of their anything. Refer them to the Madame Chairman,and let hangar,but north of their pedestrian door. They are satisfied, her handle it all. at least Dale Jones told me so on tape yesterday. Sponsor Certification documents are complete. The next thing that will Stephanie Medoff. He would get an ear full,I don't know. occur is,next Monday at 1:00 in the afternoon,there will be a pre-construction conference here. Frank Dailey: Then you give him a copy of the Minutes. Stephanie Medoff: I thought that was last Monday. Jim Boykin: My answer to any of that stuff is going to be no comment. Ted Morris: No,it is this coming Monday,and everyone is invited to attend if you would like to see what is going to Gene Kennon: The safest two words you can use. happen. It is not a"well let's do this first,and let's do that last,"there is not going to be any of that kind of discussion. It Councillor Gustafson: I think we ought to clarify the is a technical thing that the engineering people will work out, relationship between the City and this Airport Advisory but everybody is invited to attend. There is a new wrinkle in Board,and whatever committee they appoint,so that there this whole thing though,Joe Alexa called up the other day and is a clear understanding as to the rules. That is what is said that he had$103,500.00 in this year's money program, important. And then whether you form a 501C3 non-profit but not yet appropriated for fencing and gates. That would be group,or not,that can come through the legal staff of the a second half of the money that we were supposed to get in City. So,I think that Jim can find out very soon and get one lump sum of$230,000.00. So,it would be a total of an back to you,and let you know what the recommendation additional$115,000.00. Joe Shain,at the State,says that he is,not what you should do,but what the recommendation can adjust the current grant to increase it so that we could get is. their 5%,which would be$5,175.00. The priorities,of course, remain the south and west perimeters and the crash road Chuck McLean: Our Memorandum of Understanding is access gates. There is an additional issue I would like to the contract with the City,and I asked that question this discuss,and we will get to that in just a second. Box Canyon morning,that all these organizations renew that every Road closure—I would prefer that. Shooting continues to be year? And her comment to me was,when we think we a problem. We can all go upstairs and see the bullet hole in have everything covered the City Attorney finds something the window, if we would like to afterwards. In the last two else to put in it. So,they do it every year. weeks we have run off seven or eight shooters,some times LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4,1997 Page 15 of 20 calling the police,and some times not. Some times they Ted Morris: Box Canyon Road runs right here,and then right just kind of move along,and I duck behind the car and say, up off the top of the map. "you're on the airport and you have to leave,"and they go away. However,we do have a problem with shooting. Stephanie Medoff. So,that"X"is all Box Canyon Road? Prescriptive easements can not be gotten against a government. This is what Marcia Driggers,the Assistant Ted Morris: This right here is Box Canyon Road,and it runs City Attorney,has told me. Therefore,that is not an issue. just outside the perimeter of the airport. Well,it's not the It means two things. One-nobody can say,"I've been perimeter of the airport,it is where they built the fence in the driving on that road for a hundred years,and therefore I 40's,but the airport goes out to here beyond the gravel pit,and have to continue to drive on it,you have to let me so on. Anyway,I would like to do that,and what that would through." That is not the case. It also means that we do do is,stop the casual gangster style shooter,the irresponsible not have to close the road by 2002 in order to keep people person. The hardcore four-wheel driver is going to go around from getting a prescriptive easement,since the BLM it,and they do that anyway,and I'm not worried about them in easement expired in 1992. So,we can close the road. But, particular. However,everyone will get an access to Box there will be a potential controversy,and therefore I would Canyon by coming up through Picacho Hills,or around ask that the closure be considered by this board. I would Picacho Peak. They will attempt to come down Box Canyon ask you to consider two things. First,should the City Road,and I don't want them to get to this point,get angry,and apply for an FY98 grant for the$103,500.00 to upgrade start tearing things up. So,I propose to also build a fence the fencing,and in the FAA's mind this will solve all our across and close the road at that end. That is what I would like fencing problems forever. to do. The alternative to closing Box Canyon Road is,instead of replacing this south and east perimeter fences with barbed Stephanie Medoff: You say that this all costs about the wire,would be to replace it with chain link. That would use same? up the$103,500.00,but it would present a more formidable, official barrier. Maybe,someone wouldn't shoot across. I Ted Morris: No,they will give us an extra$103,500.00 don't believe that is true,but that is an option if you did not for fencing. Do we want to accept it,and then figure out want to close Box Canyon. how we are going to use it? Stephanie Medoff: So,the main problem is people going and Jim Boykin: I say,yes. target shooting in the gravel pit? Stephanie Medoff: Well,why wouldn't we? Ted Morris: No,the target shooter is not particularly the problem. Although,those are the people you say,"excuse me, Ted Morris: Because it commits the City to$5,175.00, go to the public range down the road." "Okay,sorry."And and we will have to go forward to the City Council and ask they go. Whoever shot the window out,whoever goes down them to do that. and have shot up all the signs in Box Canyon with machine guns,those are the people that are the problem. Gene Kennon: We do have a fencing problem,yes or no? Chuck McLean: And there is a problem for public access. Ted Morris: Yes. The next question is,should the additional fencing project include closing Box Canyon Ted Morris: Chuck was here one day when there was a gang Road? Let me show you exactly what I am talking about. fire fight down there. It was unbelievable. This is Box Canyon Road. The City property is right here. This is the Industrial Park,this is the MSLR system—the Chuck McLean: He knew that because I was crawling across approach lighting system,and where Box Canyon Road the ramp to tell him about it. makes a sharp right turn is where it enters the airport. We can fence that road,and tie in. The way fencing works for Stephanie Medoff: A gang fire fight? an airport is,you put up chain link fence until it disappears over the horizon,to fool people into thinking there is a Chuck McLean: There were automatic machine guns,and chain link fence all the way around the airport. The rest of three or four AK-47s all at the same time. He said,"let's go the airport we put barbed wire around it. That is exactly down there,"and I grabbed him by the shirt,and said"let's go what we have here now,and my proposal would be to tie inside and have a cup of coffee." into the fence for the approach light system,and across this way,and match up with the fence that runs through like Stephanie Medoff: Do you want a decision on these two this. questions today? Stephanie Medoff: Show me Box Canyon Road. I Ted Morris: Yes,Madame. couldn't see through you,I'm sorry. LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 16 of 20 Chuck McLean: Would we let people have access? That Stephanie Medoff. Do we need a motion? is the other point. Ted Morris: Before I go forward with this,I would just to be Ted Morris: Well,what I would do is,of course in closing able to say we brought it up,and everybody thought it was a the road,we would put the gate on it,and then groups like good idea. the Audubon Society,or the Boy Scouts,or the University comes out and goes out to do things out here... Stephanie Medoff. Okay,so it is a recommendation,it is not a motion. Okay,continue on. Stephanie Medoff. Is that the way they get to Picacho Peak to look at the fossils? Ted Morris: Airport policy- we will do that next time. Auto Sunshades—the pre-construction conference was held here Ted Morris: Yes. We could to that. October 7th,and the work should begin next month. Tomas Mendez is primarily responsible for that project. Stephanie Medoff. We should be accommodating. Stephanie Medoff. Now,Gene is the one who got the Chuck McLean: That little round white spot at the end of sunshades for us? the runway is New Mexico State's archeological pit. Ted Morris: He got the money and everything. We are going Ted Morris: It's a geological pit. to name it the Kennon Memorial Sunshades. Stephanie Medoff. If that is the case,then I think we Stephanie Medoff. Not memorial! should apprise them of what is going on,and tell them they still have access. They may want to call you first,and Ted Morris: Oh,not yet! Okay,I'm sorry. Bright View Land have you unlock the gate. Corporation—I have heard nothing. Gene,have you heard anything new? Ted Morris: They always call,because they have to come into the airport. They have to cross the fence to get it. Gene Kennon: No,nothing new. I think we should keep an eye on that though,definitely. Chuck McLean: We should give Mr.Burke a key. Stephanie Medoff. And,you say you gave Judy Price all of Ted Morris: I have already talked with Francis Burke a our information for the County? year ago when we talked about this. Chuck McLean: Yes. She doesn't have all the pretty pictures, Stephanie Medoff. And,they would have a key at all and what not. times? Stephanie Medoff: But she has our thinking? Ted Morris: And they would be able to get through,yes. Ted Morris: If they would like that booklet that you guys did, Jim Boykin: I'm in favor. we can get that printed up and too them. Stephanie Medoff. Someone back there,Hal Kading? Chuck McLean: Yeah,I don't think I gave them a copy. Let's give her a fancy book. Hal Kading: Wouldn't it be better off not to have a gate? Because a gate would invite someone to break it open. Ted Morris: Electricity- The distribution lines will go underground in the hangar areas. They are going to extend Ted Morris: We could re-do the design. It is not a them into the hangar areas. The poles you can see are already problem. going up. The FAA's approval has been received for the distribution poles,and a conditional approval for the Stephanie Medoff. Wait,not have a gate? Have what transmission lines. Construction on the transmission lines will instead? begin tomorrow,and they are going to use the perimeter road and go out through the crash road gate at the end of runway 26 Ted Morris: You would have to enter the airport,and then in order to get out to put in the poles. Also,beginning this go down the perimeter road to get to it instead. week or next,they have already done all the road cuts and put the conduit under the road for the underground stuff here on Jim Boykin: That is better. the airport. And,beginning this week or next,they will begin digging the trenches and laying in the conduit,so there will be Ted Morris: That would be fine. a lot of electricity stuff going on. • C LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4,1997 Page 17 of 20 Stephanie Medoff. Mr.Gustafson,if you have finished Stephanie Medoff. Jim Ericson said that he would ask. reading the end of the Minutes from last month,we spent three hours with the hangar owners down at that end Ted Morris: Okay,we will ask the question again. talking about these utilities,and got our way. Ted went down to the City the next day,and got them put Chuck McLean: It sounds like we have higher headquarters' underground. We do have some nice successes. support here. Ted Morris: Madame Chairman,there is a question. Ted Morris: Hangar parcel leases—These are not policy issues,of course,but I would like to introduce you to Mr. Stephanie Medoff. I'm sorry,Hal? Stevenson,and Mr. Wallace's issues. I have included a letter from Mr. Stevenson. Remember,he is the guy that was going Hal Kading: Did I understand that when you say hangar to come,and then wasn't going to come,and then is going to areas,you mean the one down here,or do you mean all come. You can see where he has asked to construct a hangar, hangar areas? which is the second site in,which is immediately east of Wayne Wallace's big gray hangar. Dick has gone out and Ted Morris: By March 31St the City Utilities have staked that whole area out,and I really want everybody to go promised that they are going to run a line up like this to there and look at it before we talk about how we are going to service the new hangar area here,and to run a line down organize it. I would like for you to look at it today. The here so that you can tie into it. And,we can develop this second thing is,Mr.Wallace has paid his annual rent for this part of the airport as well. year,and so on and so forth. But,he has not done anything towards getting a hangar built in his leasehold which is Parcel Stephanie Medoff. Great! #17,which is immediately south of his big gray hangar. Hal Kading: Is that going to be underground? Stephanie Medoff: But,he has paid the rent on that part? Ted Morris: That one down there will probably be above Ted Morris: He has paid the rent on it,but he is now ten ground. months in delay of submitting his building permit applications, and he is five months in default of starting his construction. Stephanie Medoff. Why? The next thing that needs to happen for him,is that he needs to complete construction by June of 98. Given how long it takes Ted Morris: Because there is no taxiway or anything that to put a hangar up,he is coming in very tight. He needs to it is crossing. commit to either developing that parcel,or the City Council should be presented with the information so that they can Chuck McLean: Not now. terminate the lease. Hal Kading: Could I ask that the service to our building be Stephanie Medoff. And then does he get his money back? underground? Ted Morris: No. Ted Morris: It is too late,Hal. Whatever you see out there,is out there. Stephanie Medoff. Is someone asking for that parcel? Hal Kading: Well,it wasn't too late last time. Ted Morris: Yes,Wayne Stevenson wanted that parcel. Had we terminated his lease before,we would have immediately Ted Morris: Well,you asked us last time,and I told you it leased it to Wayne Stevenson. was too late then. Chuck McLean: Anyone in their right mind would want that Stephanie Medoff. I remember that. as a top priority parcel,because the front is right on the ramp. Hal Kading: Why is it too late for me,and not for them? Stephanie Medoff. But in the mean time, Stevenson has agreed to go with this one right here? Ted Morris: Those are new extensions that are going to be changes to the current contract. Ted Morris: Right. Anyway,I just wanted you to see what is going to wind up in front of the City Council eventually. In Hal Kading: Here is the perfect opportunity to get all the the letter you will notice that I've asked or reminded him poles out of the terminal area,and I think... again to please give us an option that we can present to the Council. Jim Boykin: I think that would be a good question to ask. LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 18 of 20 Gene Kennon: Ted,before we leave this layout,the way community relations. So,what I am doing is gathering you have sketched in these two parcels here. Does this information from Hal and the terminal over here on where the still satisfy WAM's concerns? problems are as they actually exist,so that we can have some documentation,and I got all kinds of stories so far. This is on Ted Morris: I was not ready to discuss WAM. No matter going. We have a gap in the service that we can provide,and what we do with Stevenson's parcel, it will not effect this the gap is simply from here into town especially at night. Just problem. one little side story- The woman who couldn't get into town, finally Kamme volunteered to take her into town and did. Gene Kennon: But,you are going to be talking about this Then a couple of days later a couple of guys arrived,and they in a minute or not? didn't have a way into town. Well,they wanted her to take them,and she refused. So,they just said,well we will stay Ted Morris: If you guys want too,I would like to take you here overnight,and then we will catch a ride in tomorrow down and show it to you. I think it is essential that you see morning. That didn't work out either,so eventually they went the ground. outside and she assumes they got a ride someway because there is a telephone right out side. Those are the kinds of Gene Kennon: I just want to make sure that we have problems that the two girls are facing over here,and some agreed to satisfy WAM's concern. times the people who arrive are very angry because we don't have a rental car service,and because they are sitting there Ted Morris: Not necessarily. I don't recall that. waiting for a taxi for an hour. Now,these are the problems that I am gathering information on,and the gap needs to be Jim Boykin: I thought that we had resolved that last time. filled in some way or another. So,I would like to continue with the Board's permission to pursue some possibilities, Stephanie Medoff. Well,we solved the utilities road whatever they may be,Mr.Pritchard hopefully for a rental car problem. service,or some other way to get the people into town rather than having to wait an hour for a taxi and pay$23. Ted Morris: We solved the underground power line problem. Chuck McLean: So moved. Stephanie Medoff. We haven't solved the paving problem. Stephanie Medoff: Thank you,Gene. This is wonderful, thank you very much. (Missing words due to changing tapes.) Hal Kading: We saw an incorporation for somebody to rent a Gene Kennon: Mr. Pritchard is a person who would like to car,and I don't know if it was Pritchard or not. Has anybody start a rental car service out here. He is in the process of else? investigating possible financing. We do not know just how that is going to turn out,but we wish him luck. In the Stephanie Medoff: You saw a what? mean time,I have been in contact with Southwest Aviation to gather information on people arriving here who need a Hal Kading: An incorporation in the weekly business section. ride into town. I have also been gathering information from the terminal over there from the girls about problems Ted Morris: That was probably him. He has called and said that arise. Such as,a woman comes in on the 9:00 flight, that he has applied for his business registration. she has no ride into town,and she calls a taxi. The taxi comes some times in 20 minutes,and other times it comes Stephanie Medoff: His problem is getting the loan to get the in an hour,or some times in an hour and a half The fare is cars. $23,and other service that is more reliable is the L&M Limousine Service,and they want$40 each way. So,it is Ted Morris: If he is going to run into a stumbling block,he's sore point to get people arriving on flights,and got great ideas he came over and we went all over the airport significantly the number of arrivals coming into Las and introduced him to you,and every thing else,and if Cruces have gone from 700 an average a month,down to enthusiasm counts,he is going to make it. But,I'm not sure about 450 averaging so far in 1997. 1 think this is very he is not going to run into a problem with the loan. significant because,many of these people,and I am finding this information out from the people behind the Training available—The City training office is planning desk over there,they call ahead and they find out that there courses for Advisory Boards, like yourself,and they will is no service here any more than a taxi. So they say,well include things like applicable laws. Anyway,if you think of we will just fly on to El Paso,check into a motel down anything that you would like to know about,we could tell there,rent a car,and come back here for a meeting. This is them and get you scheduled to go to it,or whatever. not good for us,for gross receipts tax. It is not good for LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4, 1997 Page 19 of 20 Stephanie Medoff. I wouldn't mind going,and hearing leases." They are there. And,"make them legally enforceable what they have to say. through adoption as a local ordinance,"which is what we are working towards. "During airport inspections,check fencing Ted Morris: Okay. Finally,water line extension—this and gates both vehicle and pedestrian as well as movement involves the east end again. There is an 8-inch water main and non-movement area signs. At certificated airports,"which right to the north of Wallace's big gray hangar,right there we are,"the operator,"meaning the City,"is required to have at the northwest corner. And,Ed Mimoso's hangar is procedures for safe and orderly access to the movement areas, going up. Earl Comeyford is building it,and we are going and safety areas. Plus safeguards to prevent inadvertent entry to extend that 8 inch water main to end of the property by unauthorized vehicles and pedestrians." That is the source line,the northeast end of Wallace's hangar and put a fire of all the gripping,and complaining,and teeth gnashing here hydrant there. That will at least get water available,but I on the airport. If everyone would just remember to close the am waiting for Mr.Aguire from Water Resources,to let us gates,and lock them when you are the last person out,I think know(unclear words). we will solve the problems and we won't have a tragic accident that could be prevented. The other things that were on your list as old things like the fees survey results,we are still gathering data. We Stephanie Medoff: I would suggest that you guys who walk have received six responses so far,and there is not enough around here a lot carry this with you. really to report on yet. However,in general our fees are in line with everyone else. Chuck McLean: Do you know what I did? I wrote to the district because it sounds so much like Ted,that I wrote and Stephanie Medoff. Read us this. got a clean copy. Doesn't it sound like Ted? We have been groaning about this thing for a long time,and it is exactly the Ted Morris: This issue continually crops up,and it wording that we sort of use here locally,and I thought that concerns the gates,whether or not the gate has to be maybe Ted had snuck it in there. closed,or whether it has to be locked,or whatever. If you would like to listen to the half hour tape of the discussion I Hal Kading: Maybe Ted was the guest columnist for that. had with Mr.Lee and Mr.Jones yesterday morning about whether their gate down there needed to be closed,you are Stephanie Medoff. Alright,there you go. Hal got it,he was welcome to come and listen to it. It is really interesting to the guest columnist. What a setup. listen too. However,this is the FAA airport quarterly. I know some people have asked what part of the FAA Ted Morris: Actually that was written by a guy named Bruce governs the airport? It is several parts. One of them is the Kirkendoll who is one of the inspectors. Our inspector,by the Airports Division,and the FAA Southwest Region in Fort way,is a gentleman by the name of Bob Hutchins,and he is Worth. Basically, it talks about breaking the chain of the editor of this newsletter. So,it is a serious thing with the incursions,and that is when a car gets on a runway or FAA,runway incursions and vehicles,and that sort of thing. taxiway. It goes through it,and basically gives you some ideas. The best defense is a good training program in Stephanie Medoff: Chuck has two things. efforts to break one of the links in the chain of events. Now,we can translate that into either training everybody, Chuck McLean: One order of business,and then a comment and giving them a special license,and putting a little which I think is really begging,especially talking about ramps, sticker on their car before they drive inside the fence,or and what not. First is,I think we ought to immediately,before we can just kind of do some modification of what we have the minutes go anywhere,get a letter out to the Mayor done in the past. And that is,don't let anybody out there thanking Jack for all of his performance,and probably getting where they don't need to be. That is basically the direction at least the chair to sign it,if not all of us. You know,we we are going instead of trying to intrude into all the really ought to do that. training aspects,and everything else. Basically, it says "restrict vehicle access to aircraft movement area by The other thing I think is very important,and I am not going keeping gates closed,and allow only those vehicles to stand up because I guess even by now Councillor Gustafson necessary for airport operations on the runways and has seen this point to this runway so many times. A little taxiways. Establish rules and procedures for vehicle and history here,since 1986 when I did a study for the City,we've vehicle operators on the airport,and ensure employees, all talked about that damn runway on one of the three like it tenants,and contractors are familiar with them." I would was dead,and there was nothing to do with it. I helped,I like to remind all you tenants here,that you need to close hope,in the Master Plan vitalizing the plans for this airport. the gates. "Establish procedures for enforcing rules or And,we just accepted that thing as being one of those regulations including penalties for violations." This is runways is going,and it ended up being 4-22 because of what we are doing with the ordinance that we are going to interference with the approaches to that runway. But,we had get passed."Include provisions for compliance in tenant it like a dream,at least I have. I'm getting like the former LAS CRUCES AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING,November 4,1997 Page 20 of 20 Mayor about if we could stabilize that runway.Even if we Jim Boykin: I make a motion that we adjourn. didn't use it,but that it wasn't deteriorating in front of our eyes because the FAA had knocked out funding for it,that Frank Dailey: Second. we would really enhance the future growth of this airport. Even if we didn't use the runway,at least the access to it, Stephanie Medoff. All those in favor say aye. the approaches to it,and everything would still be there. And we will hope against hope we said,that we would like All Members: Aye. to at least not maintain it but sustain it. I would like to thank Jim and Ted for their negotiations,and their Meeting adjourned at 2:15 PM. manipulation of contractors and what not to have that whole damn runway crack sealed and sealed,which I think is really a major accomplishment around here while we are bitching about closing gates. Thank you. Stephanie Medoff. Thank you. Okay,we want to go outside. Bill Madden: Okay. I've got a couple of things I would like to mention. One,I promised Frank Borman I would bring up that apparently the mail has not been delivered to these mailboxes out here on the airport. Ted Morris: We will check into it. Bill Madden: He has sent letters to himself,and he has not received them. Chuck McLean: Letters of congratulations,I suppose. Vernon Wilson: I know that a letter mailed from Tucson on February 2°a arrived here on July 101 . Ted Morris: I wish you would have told us that sooner. Stephanie Medoff: Is that a problem down at the main post office? Bill Madden: The other thing is,I forget who told me, maybe it was Ed,Dr. Thomas is writing a book about the history of the college,and he is looking for photos of the old university airstrip. I guess you have some in the files, and if anybody else has got stuff put away,he would love to have them I'm sure. Ted Morris: The City has a good bunch of aerials from each decade down in Technical Support Division in the City Office Building,the old hospital. They are just there in the drawer,and Peter Gilbert is the gentleman they need to contact. Stephanie Medoff. Do we need to adjourn before we go outside? Ted Morris: Let me say that we do not need to solve this problem this week,but as long as everyone is here I would like to take them down and show them the area. So,we can adjourn,and just everybody go look at it. Electricity: Distribution lines will go underground in hangar areas. Poles going up. FAA conditional approval received for transmission lines. Hangar Parcel Leases: Although not policy issues, the following situations will be placed before the City Council, and therefore this Board should be aware of them: - Mr. Wayne Stevenson would like parcel in new sub-development. Please see attached proposal from Mr. Stevenson. - Mr. Wallace paid annual rent for this year, but has not yet responded to a request for what he intends with Parcel 17. Please see attached draft letter to Mr. Wallace. Master Plan. Proposed new East End `hangar subdivision.' I would like to arrive at a consensus on this plan, but must proceed with the construction of the taxiway, installation of infrastructure, etc., very, very soon. I would really like the Board to look at the site today. Pavement Maintenance. - All surfaces scheduled were treated. - Costs proved less than anticipated, and enough was left to crack and acrylic seal RWY 4/22. - Costs to date (for crack and acrylic): $115,208.62 (including GRT). - Approximately $10,000 available to restripe RWY 4/22 & taxiways. -- Will use state pricing contract for runway. -- Traffic Ops Dept. will do taxiways. - We could use some PIREPS on the work, in particular the acrylic. Personnel. Part time maintenance worker on board- Mr. Roberto Eres. Rental Cars: Gene? Training Available: City Training office is planning courses for advisory boards (applicable laws, Robert's Rules of Order, etc.). Sort of an orientation, actually. Any interest in attending? Any additional courses of study you would like to see added? Water Line Extension: Waiting for Mr. Aguire to from Water Resources to respond to request for pricing of extension. AIRPORT MANAGER'S REPORT FOR AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD—Nov. 4, 1997 TEXT: YOUR NOTES: AIP Project#12: "Taxiway C"Project. - FAA grant approved. - State grants all approved. - Contract approved and signed by City Council & C.S. McCrossan. - Electric gates have been redesigned. - Sponsor certification documents complete. - Next: -- Pre-construction conference: 1:00 p.m., Nov. 10, 1997, here. NEW: $103,500 in FY98 federal money programed for fencing and gates. -- Would be a total of $115,000 more — total of $230,000 for fencing and gates if added to TWY C project. -- State says it can adjust current grant to provide its 5% ($5,175). -- Priorities: South & West perimeters, and crash road access gates. -- Box Canyon Road closure preferred: --- Shooting continues to be a problem. --- Prescriptive easements not an issue. --- Potential controversy means the closure should be considered by this Board. - Therefore, I ask this Board consider and recommend a position on 2 things: -- Should City apply for FY98 grant, thus committing the City to an additional expenditure of$5,175 this year? -- Should the additional fencing project include closing Box Canyon Road? Airport"Policy"progress&time/phase: - Discuss proposed ordinance. - Next time: Fees & Charges, lease boilerplates, etc. as accompanying resolutions. Auto Sunshades: Pre-conconstruction conference was held on Oct. 7, 1997; should begin work next month. City Architect is office of primary responsibility for this project. Aviation Day: Separate Agenda Item. Bright View Land Company development: Gene?