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09-10-2012 NdKKOE ON of Las Cruces UNIVERSITY DISTRICT CITIZEN'S DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AGENDA The following agenda will be considered by the University District Citizen's Design Review Committee of the City of Las Cruces at a meeting to be held on Monday, September 10, 2012 at 10:00 a.m., in room 1158 at City Hall located at 700 North Main Street, Las Cruces, New Mexico. The City of Las Cruces does not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, color, ancestry, serious medical condition, national origin, age, or disability in the provision of services. The City of Las Cruces will make reasonable accommodation for a qualified individual who wishes to attend this meeting. Please notify the City Community Development Department at least 48 hours before the meeting by calling 528-3043 (voice) or 1-800-659-8331 (TTY) if accommodation is necessary. This document can be made available in alternative formats by calling the same numbers list above. 1. Call to Order II. Approval of Minutes — June 4, 2012 III. Old Business — None IV. New Business 1. Case No. UD-12-02: A request for approval of multi-family residential housing consisting of eight (8) dwelling units on a 0.39 + acre lot located at 2500 Jordan Road. The subject property is located within the University District-Transition Zone (UD-TZ). Submitted by Wayne Miller on behalf of Julius & Kathleen Simon, property owners. V. Other Business VI. Public Participation VII. Adjournment 1 UNIVERSITY DISTRICT 2 CITIZEN'S DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE 3 4 The following are minutes of the meeting held on Monday, September 10, 2012 at 10 a.m. at 5 City Hall, 700 North Main Street, Room 1158, Las Cruces, New Mexico. 6 7 PRESENT: Nancy Binnewig -Acting Chair 8 Sally Cutter 9 Greg Walke 10 Greg Smith (Councillor) 11 12 ABSENT: John Curry - Chair 13 John White 14 15 STAFF PRESENT: Adam Ochoa, Community Development 16 Katherine Harrison-Rogers, Community Development 17 Susan Montana, Community Development 18 Becky Baum, RC Creations - Recording Secretary 19 20 OTHERS PRESENT: Wayne Miller 21 Kath Pass 22 23 I. CALL TO ORDER 24 25 Meeting was called to order at 10 a.m. 26 27 Ochoa: Okay, since everybody is here. Mr. Curry was unable to join us for this 28 meeting either so if you'd do us a favor again Ms. Binnewig and ... 29 30 Binnewig: Is there not a required number of meetings that a person, a member attend? 31 32 Ochoa: I believe there is and we will have to contact Mr. Curry about that. 33 34 Binnewig: Yeah. 35 36 Ochoa: And see if we can try to get him to ... 37 38 Binnewig: Cause it's nice to have you know participants on the board. 39 40 Ochoa: Definitely. We will look into that. Thank you. Would you like to call this to 41 order? 42 43 Binnewig: Oh, okay, I'll call this meeting to order. 44 45 46 1 1 II. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES - June 4, 2012 2 3 Binnewig: The first is approval of the minutes of June 4th, our last meeting, any 4 comments, corrections? It was like verbatim. Okay. I have to clean up my 5 talking, make it more ... All right. I will accept a motion to ... 6 7 Ochoa: I'm sorry. Go ahead. 8 9 Binnewig: I make a motion ... I'll ask for a motion to approve the minutes. 10 11 Smith: So aJgt4yad' V , 12 13 Cutter: Second. 14 15 Binnewig: It's been moved and seconded, all in favor. 16 17 All: Aye. 18 19 III. OLD BUSINESS 20 21 Binnewig: Next order is old business, none. 22 23 Ochoa: Not today, no. 24 25 Binnewig: Pardon? 26 27 Ochoa: None today, no ma'am. 28 29 Binnewig: None today, alright. 30 31 IV. NEW BUSINESS 32 Case No. UD-12-02: A request to approval of multi-family residential housing 33 consisting of eight (8) dwelling units on a 0.39 +/- acre lot located at 2500 Jordan 34 Road. The subject property is located within the University District-Transition Zone 35 (UD-TZ). Submitted by Wayne Miller on Behalf of Julius & Kathleen Simon, property 36 owners. 37 38 Binnewig: And so the new business is our one case that is Case No. UD-12-02, a 39 request for approval of multi-family residential housing consisting of eight 40 dwelling units on a 0.39 +/- acre lot located at 2500 Jordan Road. The subject 41 property is located within the University District-Transition Zone. Submitted by 42 Wayne Miller on Behalf of Julius & Kathleen Simon, property owners. 43 44 Ochoa: Thanks, yes, Adam Ochoa, Development Services for the record. First and 45 only case we have for you all this morning is a request for a new multifamily 46 residential project supposed to be located at 2500 Jordan Road. Submitted by 2 I Mr. Wayne Miller who is present at this meeting. This is Case UD-12-02, our 2 second case this year, so we've got more than one, that's a good thing. 3 Here's a vicinity map of the area. Subject property is highlighted here in the 4 light blue box with the stripes through it located along Jordan Road and Plain 5 Street to the north of it with an alley running to the south. Like I said, the 6 property is about here and it is actually in the University District-Transition 7 Zone, the UD-TZ which actually starts right north of that alley there, so this 8 property is part of the University District-Transition Zone with the University 9 Avenue zone to the south, aerial showing the existing subject property with a 10 single family home on it. Currently multifamily developments located adjacent 11 to it and of course single-family products to the north and to the south with also 12 1 believe that's a religious institution across the street on Jordan Road. Just to 13 kind of give you kind of basically where this subject property is at, this is the 14 existing site plan of that single family home which will be demolished for this 15 proposed project by Mr. Miller as soon as I guess he gets approved here 16 today, that subject property, that dwelling will be demolished. There is a 17 requirement under the University District Overlay District that there is a 60-day 18 demolition delay for any historical building. As of today, staff has not seen 19 anything to show this building to be of historic significance or on any registers' 20 list of historic buildings, so this building will just be coming in for a demolition 21 permit and that would happen for it to continue with this project. 22 Again property is located at 2500 Jordan Street in the University 23 District-Transition Zone. It is currently, it was a home that was converted into 24 an office I believe. This property actually came before the University District 1 25 believe if not last year, a couple of years ago, where they converted that from 26 an existing single family home to a kind of a women's clinic or office/yoga 27 studio which I believe didn't come into fruition. The applicant now is proposing 28 to demolish the exiting single family home for a new multi-family residential 29 development which will be made up of two, two-story buildings with four units 30 each, total of eight units on the property, roughly about 9,500 square feet in 31 size would be all the buildings, about 26 feet in height which is all within 32 regulations and what's allowed under the University District and requirements 33 of the 2001 Zoning Code and other City requirements. The proposed buildings 34 will incorporate design elements of the University District which I will go a little 35 further into depth when I move along with my slide show here. The entire site 36 will follow all University District requirements and requirements of the 2001 37 Zoning Code as well. There is a proposed elevation in black and white to the 38 north ... I'm sorry, on the top part of the slide with a color rendition done by the 39 applicant to the south showing those buildings located more towards the front 40 with kind of a territorial style look, something the University District encourages 41 and desires with a front entry area, if you will, primary front entry area which is 42 another thing the University District encourages as well. Some more proposed 43 elevations of the front of those two buildings, the one on top view, the one 44 closest to the alley, and the one to the south is closest to the actual 45 intersection of Plain Street and Jordan Road. 3 I There is a view of the property to the rear along Plain Street with 2 entrance on Plain Street with required landscaping within the parking area. 3 Number of required parking stalls on the subject property do meet code, as 4 well as you can see on the southern part here where with a dumpster encloser 5 in the rear which is another requirement of the University District, as well as 6 the actual parking area itself located to the rear behind the buildings which is 7 something definitely encouraged and desired in the University District as it is 8 an actual requirement. There is a site plan here showing again just kind of 9 what was said and with an overhead view of the two buildings closer to Jordan 10 Road and the intersection with Plain Street with the parking to the rear with no 11 access off to the alley. That actual area will be blocked off with the dumpster 12 encloser being proposed by Mr. Miller and a landscaping plan to the south 13 which does appear to meet all requirements of the University District 14 requirement minimum of 20% of the property to be landscaped. 15 With that staff has reviewed the proposed site plan and building 16 elevations and found them to be in keeping with those design guideline 17 requirements of the University District which is located in 38-44 of the 2001 18 Zoning Code and with that staff recommends approval for the proposed 19 project. Your option today, this morning is to 1) approve the proposed 20 development as recommended by staff; 2) approve the proposed development 21 with any modifications or conditions seen fit by the board; or 3) to deny the 22 proposed development or table or postpone and direct staff accordingly. We 23 did send out public notice to the surrounding area as well as posting a sign on 24 the property. We got no public feedback or anything except one person called 25 me and asked me what was going on and that was all it was. They chose to 26 remain anonymous about this. But other than that, that was essentially it. 27 Other than that, like I said the applicant is here to answer any specifics you 28 might have on the project. I stand for questions as well. 29 30 Smith: I was looking at the picture, the existing structure looks like '40's, early '50's 31 perhaps. Doesn't look like it's particularly historically significant which Las 32 Cruces is of concern, ongoing concern all though but certainly near the 33 University for me. What I see of the plans looks very attractive. I think the 34 solar panels on the roof look like they're well screened by the parapets and 35 probably even though they show up in the elevations, probably wouldn't be 36 visible from the street. So I think I see a lot of features that look like they 37 would be very attractive additions to that area. 38 39 Cutter: Yeah, is there an open space, looked like a yard in between the two buildings? 40 Is that right? 41 42 Miller: Yes, we're trying to create some sort of you know an open space accessible to 43 the occupants with a landscaped area and an outside seating area and 44 probably some shading devices of some sort. 45 4 I Binnewig: Doesn't look like you need much, maybe on the west, but those buildings will 2 shade. 3 4 Cutter: Is it two-story in side or is it? 5 6 Miller: No, they're flats. So each floor is stacked, two bedroom flats. 7 8 Smith: So you go into it ... I'm sorry, go ahead. 9 10 Binnewig: So the staircase is interior? 11 12 Miller: The staircase is interior so enclosed. Given the fact that it's not unlikely that 13 some of the occupants might be students who wanted to create a secure 14 entry, and also somewhat more tempered entry, so that you enter from the 15 front door from the parking lot side into a commons sort of stair area. And that 16 could be controlled entry with keyed in or coded in. 17 18 Binnewig: That's very unique and urban compared to what we're used to. 19 20 Cutter: It is. 21 22 Binnewig: Used to open balconies and students living that way. My one question is that 23 alley. Alleys have always traditionally been for garbage pickup, blah, blah, 24 blah, and here you're going to have that garbage truck really stressing out your 25 asphalt all the time because they weigh tons going in and out, why aren't you 26 having that access? It's not like you have a solid wall on the alley to keep the 27 bad guys out. You know, why don't you have the dumpster access? 28 29 Miller: That's an interesting question. 30 31 Binnewig: That's what alleys are for. 32 33 Miller: One of the things that at some point in time, the overall street gradient along 34 Jordan Street slopes downward towards University and from one end of the 35 site to the other there's probably somewhere between a thee and a four-foot 36 differential. At some point in time when the house was built or thereafter they 37 created the building pad for that which leveled it out. So as you get down 38 towards the existing conifers at the end, that's where you've got a bank that's 39 slopes off. I'm taking a round about answer to your question. 40 41 Binnewig: Oh, I understand. 42 43 Miller: There is you know in doing the investigations about where to put that trash 44 encloser, that seemed the most logical place and based on conversation I had 45 with the City that seemed to be their access, they wanted a front access and 46 they were okay with it. Truthfully just don't know whether you know the 5 1 condition of the alley would permit it. It would certainly be better, I completely 2 agree. 3 4 Smith: Does the City use alleys? 5 6 Binnewig: Oh yeah, the frat house down the street has their big dumpster on the alley. 7 That alley's very busy. 8 9 Smith: Don't they have to approach it from behind where the dumpster ... 10 11 Binnewig: They have side dumpster. I have a side dumpster. 12 13 Miller: The way it is now it's a front, I'm assuming it's a front loader. It would come in 14 and dump over the top. So going straight in and backing out would work, with 15 the alleyway where they have to pull the bins out in order to do. 16 17 Smith: Or use a side loader. 18 19 Binnewig: I have a large dumpster on my apartment complex and it's a slide loader. He 20 comes just parallel with it, picks it up and puts it back. 21 22 Miller: Well you know as far as ... well my answer to your question is that I'd be 23 delighted if they could do it off the alley because I'd just as soon keep the 24 trucks off of it. 25 26 Binnewig: Well I agree. 27 28 Smith: Sure. 29 30 Binnewig: That's what my first question was and I used to own the property at the end of 31 this block, at the beginning of the alley on the west. And so I tried to have that 32 alley abandoned because there are all sorts of nefarious stuff that goes on 33 there. I owned the property for three or four years and it was constant, but the 34 City's approach was, well it has utilities in it and it has access for trucks and 35 dumpsters and stuff. So that was my first thought with this is why you want to 36 have your parking lot impacted with that heavy truck once or twice a week. 37 38 Miller: Didn't ... Don't particularly, just felt that that was probably what was going to 39 be needed. If they can assess it off the alley I'd have no problem with 40 switching the orientation. 41 42 Harrison-Rogers: If I may interject, this is Katherine Harrison-Rogers for staff. We could 43 verify with utilities what their preferred access is and then perhaps it could be 44 modified to accommodate that. And I don't know if you've already verified with 45 them or not, but ... 46 6 I Miller: I mean based on the standards that I've obtained from them this is design for 2 that. The other question with that is as it faces the parking lot makes it easy to 3 access from the resident's perspective, otherwise now you're going to have to 4 go down into the alley essentially and we'd have to create probably some 5 steps or something along the side to step down to. Or you could provide a 6 passage gate, a true front gate in the back or an opening or something. 7 . 8 Smith: Or (inaudible) enclosure. 9 10 Miller: (inaudible). 11 12 Binnewig: You could also move your dumpster pad east a little bit so you're not down at 13 that steepest differential. 14 15 Smith: But that starts to remove trees, those existing trees, conifers or whatever they 16 are. 17 18 Binnewig: You can ... it's just a suggestion, having my years of experience on that alley. 19 A dumpster would be an improvement. Sorry, that's going into the minutes, 20 know. 21 22 Smith: I think that's a good point from the standpoint of visually you know the impact 23 on your ... the physical impact of the trucks, but also just the visual looking, 24 your driveway. But that would be something probably we would be willing to 25 be flexible on you know for consultation. The other question 1 had for you was 26 that being in the University area, are you prepared for bicycles and that sort of 27 thing to end up in your common areas because that is an inevitable part of 28 what happens. 29 30 Miller: I would think so. I don't see that as a major problem. I think you have to 31 design for your occupants and I do provide some in the planning strip areas, 32 they don't really show up in the rendering of it, but in the site plan perhaps we 33 could to the one that shows up. 34 35 Smith: They'll probably be under the stairs. 36 37 Miller: There are a couple of those planning strips with the trees I'm going to extend 38 out, they're almost directly in front of the entrances, my thought was to put bike 39 racks in those locations cause they're quite convenient. And also I don't have 40 a problem with since we put a gated, some sort of gate inside the common 41 area and if we design it properly and detail it I think we could have bike racks 42 there that would still be secure. 43 44 Smith: So better than them hanging off the balconies at other locations. 45 7 I Binnewig: Or lashed to the trees because it does have to be secure because you have 2 people wandering with bolt cutters through the University area. I mean I've 3 lived there for 30 years. Everything I own is lashed down, nailed down, bolted 4 down, and out of sight. 5 6 Smith: I have a question; you have the subsurface ponding structure. 7 8 Miller: Yes. 9 10 Smith: How does the water get into the ponding structure? 11 12 Miller: As I understand it, this is a new device for me coming from Northern California 13 and we don't have quite the same structures, but they're capturing all of the 14 roof runoff in downspouts and taking it subterranean and running under ... 15 16 Smith: Directly under. 17 18 Miller: Directly under the (inaudible). One feature that I would ... didn't really identify 19 that much in terms of the design, but I've tried to design the structures to be as 20 green as possible, so one of the things that we're looking at is not just 21 discharging the water into the water table but retaining some of it so it could be 22 used for outside irrigation. So in the design of this, well probably in the tank 23 have some retained water that would allow us to use it for irrigation. Site 24 runoff for instance in the parking and everything else is going to have to be 25 captured in a DI or something else and then piped into the containment 26 system. Side grade are obviously going to be important. Where does the 27 water flow? It can't flow to the outside, it has to flow towards the parking and 28 then into some inlet to be determined. 29 30 Binnewig: Have you done a soil study to find out what, how the percolation is in that 31 area? 32 33 Miller: Truthfully not. 34 35 Binnewig: Because there are some areas in town that water can sit for a long time and 36 not percolate. 37 38 Walke: It's the lower areas that have the worst problem with that. 39 40 Smith: This is actually contained in fiberglass or something, the structure? 41 42 Miller: As I under ... I mean again these are ... fiberglass or some sort of plastic 43 structure which has contained a large volume which is not a perforated pipe, 44 except its perforated on the bottom that allows it to discharge, into some sort 45 of gravel or field down underneath, so you're replenishing the water table as 46 opposed to taking it off. 8 1 2 Smith: Well, and how similar is this to what they did at the Dollar Store up on Solano? 3 Did they do some sort of subterranean catchment system there? 4 5 Ochoa: On Solano? 6 7 Binnewig: You don't see any collection ponds. 8 9 Smith: They don't have a collection pond at that ... it's Solano and Idaho or 10 something like that. 11 12 Ochoa: I'm trying to remember. Just speaking from other areas that have actually 13 done underground, that is definitely something that is possible, that they've 14 done as well. Of course, anything that is done would have to follow all design 15 standards of the City of Las Cruces Design Standards, so he would have to 16 work with our engineering staff to make sure whatever they do put under there 17 follows code and not only takes in the historical flow but whatever actual flow 18 that is being created by the property, that will be taken care of during the 19 building permit process. 20 21 Smith: Okay. 22 23 Miller: In reality what's going to have to happen is, it doesn't really show up in here 24 but, can you dial back to the current survey. 25 26 Ochoa: Site plan. 27 28 Miller: If you can see along the back side there, you see where there's an existing 29 house and there's a fence, a chain-link fence kind of and then on the property 30 line that separates it from the adjacent apartment complex was actually a rock 31 wall there. Well between the fence and that rock walk there's actually a 32 depression. That they basically built the building pad, it sort of flows on the 33 front side of the site but then it drops down. So I've got essentially a hole that 34 I've got to fill which actually is a good thing because it allows me to put that 35 subterranean structure in there and the back flow with a lot of gravel and 36 granulated material. 37 38 Binnewig: This is why you don't want the garbage truck driving through there all the time. 39 40 Miller: Sure, compression. 41 42 Binnewig: Everything compacted down. 43 44 Miller: So that's another thing. I don't know what the existing soils are and that's 45 something I'm just going to have to do just for design, but I do know that we'll 9 1 take advantage of the fact that I'm going to do poured material there, make it 2 percolateable. 3 4 Smith: Well I would think that would be similar to a lot of the soil conditions over the 5 University. Greg do you have any systems like that at NMSU. 6 7 Walke: No, we're putting one in with the new arts center as that's (inaudible). 8 9 Smith: Okay. 10 11 Walke: You'll see more and more of it as spaces get crowded and more urbanized. 12 13 Binnewig: When I built in California you had what were called french drains. You had full 14 guttering around the house and then dig down 25 feet, 6-foot hole, fill it back 15 fill it with rock. 16 17 Miller: Right. 18 19 Binnewig: But that, you know that's all well and fine for the new building, but as it ages 20 we know how the collection ponds around here age with the rocks and then it's 21 full of weeds and garbage and everything else. So this is an improvement, but 22 that water catchment is pretty, you know it might be something that doesn't 23 age really well. 24 25 Smith: With the silt and the other stuff that fills in. 26 27 Binnewig: Yeah. 28 29 Smith: No, I think that's a legitimate concern. I don't know what background we have, 30 you know, what studies have been done in our area on that collection stuff. 31 32 Walke: The one side I'm familiar with does have manholes and should be cleaned out 33 once in a while, like a septic tank. 34 35 Binnewig: Oh, really. 36 37 Walke: And cleaned of silt and leaves and other things that wash down. 38 39 Binnewig: Is it really going to be open like that, things washing down? I thought maybe it 40 was an underground closed system. 41 42 Miller: It is. 43 44 Binnewig: Okay, so it has a manhole cover. 45 10 I Smith: Yes, but you're going to have drains coming off the roof and going directly into 2 this. So whatever's on the roof will be carried down and maybe gets stuck in 3 the gutter somewhere. 4 5 Walke: Pine needles. 6 7 Binnewig: Lovely trees. 8 9 Smith: Or at the bend and it'll go down into this container and so occasionally we will 10 need access to those things to clean them out. 11 12 Miller: In our areas where we are, a lot of stuff also to keep water that's got oils and 13 other things out of the watershed. 14 15 Binnewig: Yes. 16 17 Miller: And so there are various things that have been invented where you're using 18 sort of filtration system, where you're washing through diatomaceous earth or 19 something that filter out some of those pollutants before they get into the water 20 table. So we'll have to look at that and this is a new system for me as well and 21 1 think we're going to have to look at the design detail and to figure out how it's 22 going to work but it seems sound to me. 23 24 Cutter: Randy Farmer has one, we're at the corner of University and EI Paseo and 25 there's a large one there that's been there for many years. Randy Farmer built 26 that and he might be able to help you. 27 28 Miller: Okay. 29 30 Binnewig: I'm just wondering about the maintenance. Landlords are not well known for 31 maintenance. 32 33 Cutter: No, I don't think they've ever done anything to it. It's just a manhole cover. 34 35 Smith: It's been there about 20 years. 36 37 Cutter: We've been there about 20, but Randy did that one. We have another type of 38 drainage. But there is one on the property. 39 40 Pass: EI Paseo and what? 41 42 Cutter: EI Paseo and University Avenue and Randy Farmer is the one who did it and 1 43 know he's done it several times. His company, but you might check with him. 44 45 Miller: All right. Thank you. 46 11 I Binnewig: It becomes so necessary when you are building with constraints. When you 2 don't have a big area to leave as a big water pit, but I'm all for it, but 3 unfortunately I'm not assured that you know 10, 20 years down the road it's 4 not just bubbling and running down the street and there's nothing the City can 5 do about that after that. At least with those nasty drainage pits it's always 6 there. There's always a pit, full of water. 7 8 Cutter: And weeds. 9 10 Binnewig: Full of weeds and water and garbage. Yes. 11 12 Smith: I think as Greg pointed out, the other Greg, you know and this has been 13 mentioned, we are going to be running into those area constraints and looking 14 for these systems and as water becomes increasingly precious to us we're 15 also going to be looking for ways to replenish our (inaudible) and aquifer so, 16 percolating it back in rather than sending it to the river and to Texas and 17 Mexico may be ... but yeah there are a whole lot of different factors that are 18 coming in but you know if indeed we find that it doesn't work I would assume 19 that you know remedies could be worked on, and meanwhile it runs down 20 Plain Street and does what water has done around here for 100 years. 21 22 Binnewig: Tries to get in my yard. 23 24 Smith: I'm sorry, Jordan over to University, but no, I appreciate the trying to work on 25 innovative systems because I do think we're bumping up into some real 26 constraints with water and with land area. So, but yeah I think if you'll take 27 note of those things, talk to Randy and other folks and get the best thing in 28 there from the get-go. 29 30 Miller: Is Randy an engineer? 31 32 Binnewig: Builder. 33 34 Cutter: He's a developer. 35 36 Binnewig: Developer now. 37 38 Smith: He's also been a greenhouse guy. 39 40 Cutter: He's done pecan farms and all kinds, builder, developer. I can give you his 41 number. 42 43 Binnewig: Well are there any more questions, comments, input? Well I'll ask for a motion 44 for Case No. UD-12-02. 45 46 Walke: This is Greg Walke, I so move that we approve this Case No. UD-12-02. 12 1 2 Binnewig: Is there a second? 3 4 Smith: Greg Smith second's. 5 6 Binnewig: It's been moved and seconded. All in favor. 7 8 All: Aye. 9 10 Binnewig: Opposed? Great. Thank you very much for your presentation. 11 12 Miller: Thank you. 13 14 Binnewig: It's very high tech for an apartment complex in our area. 15 16 Cutter: It looks very nice. 17 18 Smith: Tell him we keep expecting that type of thing. 19 20 Binnewig: He drives around. 21 22 Miller: Believe me. This is has been a remarkable experience working here after 23 working around (inaudible) the last 20 years. So I thank you all. 24 25 Smith: Thank you. 26 27 Miller: Pleasure to work with staff. 28 29 Pass: Do you welcome people to come take a look at what you're building there 30 because it's going to be fabulous. 31 32 Cutter: It looks wonderful. It really does. 33 34 Pass: As far as being energy efficient. 35 36 Miller: Try to put in within the constraints of making it profitable, we are going to be 37 trying some different technologies as well as including structural, (inaudible), 38 and some other energy conservation. We'll keep you informed. 39 40 Pass: We look forward to the open house. 41 42 Miller: We'll need your names to make sure you have the invite. 43 44 Cutter: I'll give you Randy's number if you call me. 45 46 Miller: Thank you Sally. 13 1 2 Binnewig: At least your roofs are so high that you have unobstructed solar. Those 3 conifers can never get that tall. I just put solar panels on a duplex and I have 4 to keep pruning my trees because they want to keep growing. 5 6 Miller: Thanks again. 7 8 Ochoa: Official adjournment and motion to adjourn. 9 10 V. OTHER BUSINESS 11 12 Binnewig: There's no other business? 13 14 Ochoa: Nothing today. 15 16 VI. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION — No public participation 17 18 VII. ADJOURNMENT 19 20 Meeting adjourned at 10:28 a.m. 21 22 Cutter: I move that we adjourn. 23 24 Walke: Second. 25 26 Binnewig: All moved and seconded. 27 28 29 ' 30 31 Chairperson 14